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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 December 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Independent Review of Creative Scotland

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

What brought about the situation where you observed—at least, it is mentioned—a lack of effective challenge at board level?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Independent Review of Creative Scotland

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is all things to all people.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Independent Review of Creative Scotland

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Do you mean that it was in relation to specific funding awards?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Scotland’s International Strategy (Annual Report)

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, I just wanted to say to John Devine, in Ottawa, that three things have impressed me out of the things that you have said. The first thing is that you obviously have a very long and distinguished diplomatic career, which I totally respect. The second thing is that you got out of bed at some unearthly hour to appear before the committee, which is highly commendable—or maybe not. The third thing, which I think is very important, is that you talked about the integrated working that you enjoy with the representatives of the United Kingdom in the high commission and elsewhere in Canada. I just wondered whether you would give us a concrete example of where that working together produced a win for Scotland.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Scotland’s International Strategy (Annual Report)

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Thank you for that. I have a question for Nick Leake, given all the talk about roundabouts and all the rest of it. The friends of Scotland group is mentioned specifically, and I was a little intrigued—I am making a serious point here. I know that you are quite new in Brussels—I think that you crossed the street less than a year or two years ago.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Scotland’s International Strategy (Annual Report)

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Thank you.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Independent Review of Creative Scotland

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

It sounds as though you are describing an organisation that lacks any kind of strategy.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Independent Review of Creative Scotland

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Why was there a gap? You note that there is a lot of evidence of information gathering, but not a lot of use of information so there is data gathering as opposed to data leading to informed decision making or a clear strategy—given that what you have described is a broad strategy. There was all this information. It could be information, although at the moment it is just a pile of data. Why was the board almost blind, at times? One of the comments was that the board did not always receive the information and that it needed to scrutinise direction of performance. How did that gap arise?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Independent Review of Creative Scotland

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

I have a couple of final points, which pick up from Jamie Halcro Johnston’s comments about the relationship between Creative Scotland and the cabinet secretary and his office. Some of the commentary around the report mentions that stakeholders raised concerns that the Scottish Government took little interest in Creative Scotland’s governance and did so only latterly when problems became too visible to ignore. Is that a fair comment?

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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Independent Review of Creative Scotland

Meeting date: 4 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

How did it come about that part of the report seems to suggest that the Scottish Government was too distant at times but then sometimes not at arm’s length? I think that one of the comments around the report is that sometimes the Government had very short arms and was delving into things that were operational—it was felt to be interfering.