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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

That is the whole point of this session—we are supposed to talk about money.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Oh—you mean in actual pounds.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

The value has been completed gutted from the—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

You have had to absorb the costs of employing the musicians, not just having to pay their wages, and you have also absorbed the employer national insurance contributions increase. Are you also bound by the fair work requirements of the Scottish Government?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

So, for 2026-27, what would you what would you ideally be looking for—I mean, being realistic?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Good morning. Clearly this is a meeting about finances and money, so I will stick firmly to the remit of talking about the money dimension. Alison Turnbull, you are in the company of three chief executives, but you are the director of external relations and partnerships. Is that right?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

You are not responsible, in the first instance, for the finances of HES, are you?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, and the chairman has resigned.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

I find that a bit strange, to be honest. If we are going to talk about money, the money person should really be sitting at the table. That is my view, which I have expressed.

You have already mentioned that the chief executive is off on long-term illness. We had her before the committee previously and we discussed the new financial model with her. It has just been announced that the chairman is leaving—he is leaving before his time is due.

I am going to refer to some press reports about HES that suggest that there seems to be some form of crisis in the organisation. “Toxic” working environments have been mentioned. What is going on in HES?

The most recent report I have here says that the Government has launched a probe into the internal controls of HES. This meeting is all about money, just to be absolutely clear. How much public money did you say you receive?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

In any organisation, internal control and culture around internal control is critical to the management of public money. What is happening inside HES?