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Right. I will come back to Bob Doris later. I have made a note of members who want to come back with secondary lines of questioning if we have time.

The extraordinary thing that we have learned from this morning’s evidence session is that this was deliberately designed into the policy. That is something that we should all contemplate.

I have one last question for the last minute. I am always concerned about outcomes. At the end of the day, that is what we have to be focused on—what improves, what changes and how did we do against the objectives that we set ourselves? From this morning, however, it is not clear to me who is doing the measuring of the outcomes over time. I will go round very quickly, and I ask for very short answers to this, please. Who is doing the vitally important work of measuring those outcomes?

As members have no further questions, it falls to me to thank you for attending the committee this morning, minister. Again, thank you for your helpful correspondence in advance of the meeting. I also thank Hannah Graham, Tom McNamara and Claire Montgomery for joining us.

The public part of today’s meeting is now at an end. We will consider our final agenda item in private.

Okay. Graeme McAlister, we need to hear from you.

I did not catch all of that. You quoted some numbers, Graeme. Will you revisit them and then say what your conclusion was?

You have a taker—Jane Brumpton wants to come in.

That is fair enough, but you still have accountability for how £1 billion of public money is spent and what the outcomes are from that spending. I do not detect that you are shirking that responsibility. I think you have said in your answers to my questions that you will provide us with more written detail as to what that money has been spent on.

No, but the process is the focus of this particular meeting. Were the minutes of the most recent meeting that you held at which that was the focus of the discussion published, and are the presentations shared?

I appreciate that, but this meeting is focused on that specific area—it is what we are inquiring into. If those minutes could be made available, along with the data, the measurements and all the other stuff that we are very interested in, that would be fantastic. We look forward to that.