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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

You do not agree that COSLA’s evidence is factual.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

There will be an increase in demand for children’s hearings of somewhere between 10 and 20 per cent, will there not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

Why do we go by chronological age at all? Why do we not go by the age of accountability or responsibility? Some of the 16 and 17-year-olds that we are talking about have the mental age of someone much younger, so why are we stuck on chronological age?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

All that I will say to you, minister, is that the recent record of recruitment shows a fall-off in the number of volunteers, particularly in the past few years, so there is a real risk that it will not be possible to recruit the number of volunteers required. It would be responsible of Government to consider what that scenario might look like, given the demand that will be put on the children’s hearings system.

What about training? Are you completely satisfied that the children’s hearings system has the capacity to give the high quality of training that will be required, given the fact that it will be dealing with 16 and 17-year-olds and, perhaps, a different range of offences?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

No, no. What I am trying to—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

It needs to be updated.

Do you also accept what COSLA says about the fact that there is no facility to transfer costs from the criminal justice system to local government?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

Right. The final point that COSLA makes relates to the additional resource that is required for the local area support teams—the people who arrange the children’s hearings. Minister, do you accept that they will need increased resources for a range of staff and functions that they do not currently fulfil?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

But you can get married when you are 16.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

Okay, but what the minister just said is significant: the Government will fund the additional costs.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

Why is the new definition of a child up to the age of 18?