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Jude makes an interesting point. I was struck by what Martin Crewe said about the four issues that he highlighted. Does anything in the bill do anything for the issues that you highlight?

I think that the research that is about to be done, or that is under way, is due to report in about a year’s time. There will then be the passage of the bill and so on. Does it concern you at all that we are going to be looking at it in the wrong direction?

We will come back to interfaces. You are making a case for the status quo and saying that there are 32 different models for good reason.

Your argument is very similar to that of Tony Buchanan.

What is your view on the potential that the national care service has to do that? Or is there simply too little detail to go on?

Reorganisation is not salvation. Having good people on the ground—

So, irrespective of structure, the change management that you describe is down to leadership, which is exactly what Jackie Irvine said.

Outline the big challenges in children’s services that the bill could be the means of meeting.

That needs to be in the bill. Mike Burns, what do you think?

Why is there a risk? Why do you see downsides?