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That is first class. Thank you very much.

So, we have the principles but we do not have the implementation; there is a huge gap.

I will ask a more specific question about transition plans. How effective are the health-focused transition plans, such as the child and adolescent mental health services transition care plans?

That can be challenging for the people concerned, but it must be terribly frustrating for the professionals who are working within such constraints.

Dr Stark, what are your comments?

We heard from one parent on Monday that the successful outcome that they described for their child happened because of the family and was in spite of everything that had happened around them. Would that be a fairly common response from a parent?

That was the sense that I had when listening to the parents whom we talked to, who were articulate and campaigning. They were committed and had the wherewithal, as it were, in terms of their ability to articulate and advocate. The question of what would happen to the many children who do not have the benefit of that support occurred to me.

Thank you. That is very clear.

Dr Stark, would you like to comment?

One of my colleagues will, I am sure, ask about the difference that any further legislation or statute will make. However, you identify issues that it is fair to say are pretty immune to statute, in areas such as resources, culture and capability, and capacity, which is related to resources.

Dr Joshi, in your earlier answer to me, you mentioned health-focused transition care plans and how effective they are. Can you comment more broadly on how effective those plans are in relation to child and adolescent mental health services in particular?

Absolutely. However, there is a gap between the principles that everyone agrees to and the experiences of the people, families and individuals concerned.

We will come back to that point. Thank you for that.

Jenny Miller, I think that we have got the gist of what everyone is going to say on my question about the views of young people and families, but it is important that you put your view on the record.