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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 March 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Stephen Kerr

I completely agree with Willie Rennie. The minister gave categorical assurances, but we will have to monitor the situation as it develops, because there are issues that might come back to us in due course.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Stephen Kerr

You said that you are “confident just now”. I know that that is probably legal speak for not setting anything in concrete.

I have concerns about how this will be interpreted because of the terminology of “ordinarily resident”. For example, the Scottish Parliament information centre’s briefing for today’s meeting says:

“The Scottish Government expects someone who is ordinarily resident in Scotland to have made their home in Scotland with the intention of staying and living here”.

I feel that that is a huge open barn door. How will we test expectations and intentions? For example, someone could move here at Easter, do a job through spring and into summer—a summer job, basically—apply to go to a Scottish university, have an address in Scotland, be able to produce the necessary documentation to prove that they are resident there and then make an application. That is correct, is it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Stephen Kerr

That is not going to happen.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Stephen Kerr

Okay, fine. I appreciate the minister putting that on the record. I am sure that the minister understands why I am labouring the point, which is because of the nature of the cap, the number of places and the Scottish Government’s financial commitment to those places. I am obviously anxious that domiciled Scots should be able to take up those places. I hope that that is seen as the natural inclination that I would have, as a Scot.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Stephen Kerr

I will be very brief. In relation to tuition fees, are you willing to consider Sir Peter Mathieson’s idea to allow domiciled Scots the opportunity if they are unable to obtain a place on a course at a Scottish institution—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Stephen Kerr

The minister says that it is not captured by the regulations, but the criteria given in the minister’s letter are that someone must be

“ordinarily resident in the UK for three years”,

that they are

“ordinarily resident in Scotland on the relevant date”,

which is the date of commencement of the course, and that they

“Have been granted a form of leave”.

We absolutely want the friends who have joined us in Scotland for various reasons, most notably Ukrainians, to have access to higher and further education, but you are saying that nothing will have changed in respect of people from the rest of the United Kingdom, whereas, to me as a non-lawyer—it is important that I make that point—this reads as if there are ways to get round that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Stephen Kerr

Ah.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Stephen Kerr

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

International Learning Exchange Programmes

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

I address my questions to Liz Green in the first instance.

In March 2021, the Welsh Government said that it would have something ready to replace Erasmus+, and we have heard from witnesses this morning that it launched that replacement at the beginning of 2022. We also heard about the 5,000 participants, et cetera. It sounds like it has been a big success. What engagement have you had with the Scottish Government about the lack of anything like that in Scotland?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

International Learning Exchange Programmes

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

CLD?