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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

That is not a meeting, cabinet secretary. If you meet at an event and you stand in line together and you chit-chat together, that does not constitute a formal meeting. There are no records of any formal meetings between you and Hugh Hall when he was the chairman of HES.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Cabinet secretary, there are no records of any formal meetings between you and the board. There are no records of any formal meetings between you and the chairman of HES for the four-and-a-half years that you have been the cabinet secretary. Given the state of HES, particularly in the last 18 months or so, I consider that to be, frankly, a dereliction of duty on your part as an accountable member of the Scottish Government for that very important body.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

You have not attended a single board meeting.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

That is very helpful because one of the elements of the triggering of the Auditor General’s section 22 report is the lack of an accountable officer in the organisation. If I understand you correctly, you have said that the board was fully engaged in a discussion with you about the lack of an accountable officer and that there were mutual suggestions about how that might be dealt with. Is that correct?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Right, and last week a board member said that that is Angus Robertson’s responsibility.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

That is almost a symptom, is it not? There is a deeper diagnosis here. I would like us to speak to some of the real issues that will hold us back as a country, because we are being held back. What are they? What are the root issues that we need to deal with from a political point of view to facilitate the velocity that we need—not just in the private sector where some things are happening, but in the public sector that supports the private sector, which is crucial?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yet, if we go back to Rachel Reeves’s speech yesterday morning at 11 Downing Street, our national productivity is now at crisis level and the public sector is a big part of the drag on that. I was really interested in what Peter Proud was saying about the NHS. What are the barriers that we, as politicians, need to remove in order to create velocity around these issues, given the productivity crisis and the great public need that is going unanswered?

Peter, you started us down that route. I think that the convener said that we were not going to go down that particular rabbit hole, but I feel that that aspect is crucial to this whole issue.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Is that rooted in the risk aversion that we heard about earlier?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

From a business point of view, I understand that, but I have a concern that relates to that, because the AI that is adopted by SMEs will probably be open source based. The idea of creating a bespoke or customised tool will act as a barrier to the use of AI. Can you say a bit more about that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

But training courses and packaged off-the-shelf solutions will probably be more viable.