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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 January 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Culture, obviously, is a critical factor in internal control. One whistleblower is reported to have claimed that board members at Historic Environment Scotland

“walk around like they own our castles”

while ignoring staff complaints.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Has the head count remained the same or have you had to reduce it?

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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Let us talk about the maintenance backlog. Last time we spoke, it was £17.5 million. It is probably the same or more now. What is it?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Could you mention the three highest-risk issues?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is a conversation that I would have liked to have more of, because it is interesting to see the entrepreneurship that has had to be applied by the RSNO and the fact that the level of funding is the same in actual pound notes as it was—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

So, what is your specific ask?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Good morning. Clearly this is a meeting about finances and money, so I will stick firmly to the remit of talking about the money dimension. Alison Turnbull, you are in the company of three chief executives, but you are the director of external relations and partnerships. Is that right?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

You are not responsible, in the first instance, for the finances of HES, are you?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, and the chairman has resigned.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

I find that a bit strange, to be honest. If we are going to talk about money, the money person should really be sitting at the table. That is my view, which I have expressed.

You have already mentioned that the chief executive is off on long-term illness. We had her before the committee previously and we discussed the new financial model with her. It has just been announced that the chairman is leaving—he is leaving before his time is due.

I am going to refer to some press reports about HES that suggest that there seems to be some form of crisis in the organisation. “Toxic” working environments have been mentioned. What is going on in HES?

The most recent report I have here says that the Government has launched a probe into the internal controls of HES. This meeting is all about money, just to be absolutely clear. How much public money did you say you receive?