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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 April 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the UK-EU Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

Yes, Bob’s your uncle.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the UK-EU Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

Law is the biggest issue.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

European Union Alignment (Annual Reports)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

On the principle of divergence, you are a pragmatist.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

European Union Alignment (Annual Reports)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

You do not need to do that. I just need to hear that what you said earlier is the Government’s position. Divergence will be pursued when anything that you previously signed up to, which you do not know about—the unknown unknowns—comes in our direction if it is not in Scotland’s best interests. The Government will not move in lockstep with that EU directive.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

European Union Alignment (Annual Reports)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

I am not asking for more information. I am making the point about the sift and the wave upon wave of directives that come from the European Union. When you were a member of the European Scrutiny Committee, cabinet secretary, those were automatically admitted into UK law. No resistance was possible—you had to agree to the directives. We do not have that now. That is why I am focusing on your pragmatism, which I applaud. I hope that you will take my compliment that you are being pragmatic in accepting that there is a need for divergence.

I will ask a broader question about the need for us to be in any kind of alignment with the European Union, given the current state of things in Brussels and in Strasbourg. There has been a subtle—actually, not very subtle—change in the dynamics of European politics, particularly on competition policy. The President of the French Republic said that the EU could die and that

“We are on the verge of a very important moment. Our former model is over—we are over-regulating and under-investing.”

He went on to say:

“In the two or three years to come, if we follow our classical agenda”—

he is referring to the regulatory agenda—

“we will be out of the market.”

We have to be very careful about this. The composition of the European Parliament has changed and the nature of the Commission’s remits are changing. There is a move towards deregulation, is there not? Should we not be very careful that we are not swimming in the wrong direction?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the UK-EU Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

Let us stick on the area that you have just raised. Mutual recognition of qualifications is an issue. Of the sectors that you have mentioned, which have suffered more because of the loss of mutual recognition of qualifications? Has that mattered? It was highlighted last week in our evidence from the legal profession that qualifications in Scotland are not even recognised in England or vice versa. How much of an impact has this really had?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

European Union Alignment (Annual Reports)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

It is not always possible, is it?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

European Union Alignment (Annual Reports)

Meeting date: 21 November 2024

Stephen Kerr

That is not the point.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Stephen Kerr

That is a fair point.

Professor Collins, do you want to add anything?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Stephen Kerr

I will reiterate that point. From your point of view—this was also my experience before I became a member of Parliament—in that situation, you would talk to your corporate lawyer, if you had one, who would end up speaking to another lawyer, who would speak to another lawyer in another jurisdiction, and that practice has continued as it did before—Brexit has made no difference to that whatsoever. Is that what you are saying?