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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 28 November 2024
Stephen Kerr
How did you interpret it?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 28 November 2024
Stephen Kerr
What would it look like? Describe the experience.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 28 November 2024
Stephen Kerr
Do you understand, however, the concerns that some people, including me, have about the fact that, as a political activist—you have been very honest and said that you are one—you have chosen the museum space as a vehicle to promote your view of the world? That is not an unfair thing to say, is it?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 28 November 2024
Stephen Kerr
Absolutely. It is just that, perhaps, the traditional view of a museum, as that of a school, is that you do not go there to be re-educated to a certain way of thinking, but to have your curiosity piqued and your desire for learning enhanced. No?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 28 November 2024
Stephen Kerr
That makes a lot of sense.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 28 November 2024
Stephen Kerr
I completely concur with everything that. you just said. It is important that we see the vileness and evil of slavery in the context of what else was happening and the complexity of that issue. That is a vital aspect of education. I am just expressing the concern, which perhaps other people also have, that we should not use this worthy endeavour as a vehicle for political activism, which I personally would not want to see our museum spaces or our schools being used overtly for. That is another point of view.
I started with the question about nuance because I would not like you to think that because I have those concerns, I am a racist or a fascist. In my view, I am neither.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 28 November 2024
Stephen Kerr
That is really good to hear.
Jatin Haria, you said a couple of things that I want to come back to you on, and others can comment. You mentioned the exhibit at Kelvingrove, which I have been to see. I came away with a lot of concerns about the stuff that I saw and what I read in the narratives that went along with the objects on display. That feeds into my broader concern, which I have already articulated.
Let me ask you about your frustration about the vote in Parliament that has not resulted in anything. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that happens quite a lot in the Scottish Parliament. We have votes on all kinds of things and nothing much changes. I assure you that I am as frustrated as you are about that. What would you like to see as the dedicated space? Are we talking about a standalone museum of slavery that tells the whole story of Scotland’s connection with slavery? As I made clear earlier, we all agree that slavery is an evil thing. Are we talking about a dedicated space within an existing institution? I am not sure that the motion was very explicit about what it meant by a dedicated space. What would that look like?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 28 November 2024
Stephen Kerr
I deliberately used the word “re-education”, because that is how some people might view that. That was behind the survey response that you gave, which Alexander Stewart highlighted.
I can see that other people want to come in. Sheila, do you want to come in?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 28 November 2024
Stephen Kerr
That was a very illuminating set of comments—
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 28 November 2024
Stephen Kerr
Earlier, when I was listening to you, I must confess that I was concerned that you were not prepared to allow for nuance. I thought that you were describing people who did not quite see the world through your lenses as racist and fascist. That is not the case, is it?