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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 February 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

From what you have just said, I take it that the Scottish Government knew that fisheries were part of the set of negotiating cards that the UK Government was playing with the EU.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

And you knew nothing about the 2038 deal, which was apparently struck in the morning.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is a political issue, and it will be resolved—as these matters are—by people voting. We have an election very shortly, and it is up to Angus Robertson, Keith Brown and the other nationalists on the committee and in the Parliament to make the case for that. I think you will find—and some of you are honest enough in your hearts to know this—that the vast majority of people in Scotland have more pressing considerations and priorities, and that will shape how people vote.

However, this is a question of politics. Constitutional arrangements are very clear. The law is very clear. The issue should be determined—as you have said and as we would say—as a matter of democratic process. That is how it has been done in the past in this country, and that is how it will be done in future.

Frankly, the whole inquiry has been a fractious waste of time, because what we have heard in evidence time and again is what we already knew, which is that the Supreme Court judgment makes it clear that the powers rest with the sovereign Parliament of the United Kingdom. The evidence that we have received from many of the experts is also stacked heavily in the corner of those who say that the country has a very liberal and flexible constitutional arrangement, and the evidence of the past proves that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Well, the experts—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

No, it was a precursor.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

You can call those IGR meetings.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes. There is no structure or schedule of meetings. It is not like the Council of Ministers in the European Union.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

But they are not held that way, are they? We have data that shows that some of the meetings are pretty regular, in that some of them are held once every four months, but some of them are held once a year and some of them are not held at all.

The advantage of an independent secretariat would be that, in the same way as we get with the EU Council of Ministers, it would create a regularity, an independent setting, an independent agenda and all of the stuff that the Scottish Government does not have. I would have thought that you would be in favour of that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

I accept that the structure is not the be all and end all; we are interested in the outcomes. However, I put it to you that, from a Scottish Government point of view, it would be useful if the process had an independent heartbeat rather than it being so ad hoc. I know that ad hocery is the British way of doing things, but that sometimes creates spaces and gaps that cause their own issues.

That is why I have fixated this morning on the need for an independent secretariat that has the shared authority of the UK Government and the devolved Administrations to make everything happen. At the moment, we do not have transparency, we do not have agendas, we do not have minutes, and we do not have communiqués. There needs to be a mechanism that is independent of the Governments that creates that transparency and accountability that does not exist for us as parliamentarians. Do you agree with what I have said?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is worth reading the evidence that the committee received, cabinet secretary—