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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 April 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

If I might explain the rationale of my question, convener, I am interested in how Creative Scotland uses all the taxpayer money that it gets. I am anxious to find out from the panel what they learned from the shambles that brought that issue to a head last spring. I think that that is relevant to the taxpayer.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, but my question is about internal processes and procedures. I come from a private sector background, as do a number of other members of the committee, and I am very interested to know what was learned in terms of internal controls in relation to the expenditure of Scottish taxpayers’ money.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Last year, damage was done to the reputation of Creative Scotland.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

You have spelled that out very clearly for the committee.

My next question is for Katerina Brown. I am a little confused about the new business model whereby HES will surrender some of its budget from the Scottish taxpayer in order to exist on a more commercial footing. That is how I understand the plan. However, having read your submission to the committee, I do not know whether, as an organisation, you are in a fit position to do that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

I have a different question for Adrian Turpin, if I might ask it quickly.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Is more charging an option?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

That seems to be the theme from you and from Anne Lyden—you want more operational flexibilities. We have not even approached with Historic Environment Scotland the issue of employment that we explored with Anne Lyden.

You mentioned the assets. Part of the problem over the past few years has been the fact that many of those attractions and assets have been closed, because they have been deemed to be unsafe. How much would it cost to address the backlog, make the assets safe for visitors and open them all? Some of us on the committee have received communication from within Historic Environment Scotland that suggests that that number is north of £800 million. Can you tell the committee how much it would actually cost to address the backlog?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

So that is preventing you from evolving and innovating.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

I presume that that is why the story on the front pages today is about the potential shutting down of whole assets. That is your only option, is it not? You have no flexibility on the workforce, which is one of your two biggest costs. As I understand it from reading the newspapers this morning and, of course, your written submission, your only alternative is to shut down wings and perhaps even whole assets.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Is that in the coming year?