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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Are there issues? I am not clear from your response. Are there the issues that have been reported in the media? According to the media—I am putting this to you so you can clarify the issue—there is some kind of Government probe or inquiry.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

You do not know about any Government inquiry into the running of HES.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

A board director.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am raising the issue in order to highlight the fact that £74 million of public money is given annually to Historic Environment Scotland, and there seems to be a collection of evidence that adds up to something not being right in HES. Something needs to be uncovered here. I am hoping that the cabinet secretary is involved in all this and I am hoping that he is looking very carefully at the reports that I am referring to.

I have other questions, but I recognise that we are running out of time.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

I will move on talk about staff costs. Anne Lyden, you mentioned staff costs when you were in front of the committee before. Could you bring us up to speed on what the impact of increased staff costs has materially meant to you? When we last spoke, it was in advance of, for example, employer national insurance contribution increases and full implementation of the fair work requirements. What has been the impact on your budget because of those?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Therefore, that increase has gone.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

You mentioned, the last time that you gave evidence, that it might be necessary to close wings and galleries and that it would perhaps be necessary to restrict opening hours. Has any of that happened? Could you bring us up to speed?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

It has gone up to £20 million.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, deputy convener. Within the time limitation that we have, I think that I owe it to Alistair Mackie to allow him to talk a bit about some of the issues relating to costs and budgeting, because I think that he has something to say and I am anxious to hear it.

I would also like to hear from Tony Lankester, who, in his initial statement, alluded to the costs that artists bear. Perhaps he could address the concern that is expressed about freelancers and artists not getting a fair share of public funding. You might want to address that if that is relevant to you, Tony.

However, I am keen to hear first from Alistair Mackie about the challenges that his organisation is facing.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

What is the comparative public funding for the top-class orchestras in London, for example, which you want to see the RSNO set against?