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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 January 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

This is important. So the Scottish Government is agnostic about having an independent secretariat.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am surprised to hear that, frankly, given the evidence that the committee has received. I would have thought that the Scottish Government would want to have an independent secretariat.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Talking about a reset is fine, because I know that that is politics—a lot of politics is window dressing, and there has been a lot of good window dressing about the reset—but I do not think that very much has changed in practical terms. Having read the submission you have made to the committee as part of our inquiry, I am really interested to hear exactly how it can be made to work better.

At the end of the day, as you well know, Angus Robertson, I am a unionist; I want the union to work optimally and, currently, I do not think that it could possibly be stated that it does. There must therefore be a better way of doing this. You are at the front end as a minister; your viewpoint is of particular interest to the committee, because you are a Scottish minister, which adds to the interest level, of course.

You are familiar with the work of Andrew Dunlop and the review of intergovernmental relationships that was undertaken. Commissioned by Theresa May, continued by Boris Johnson, and finally published by the Johnson Government, it led to the formalisation of the IGR structures and meetings that we have now. That was a real reset, in the sense that something emerged that had not emerged previously. What aspects of Dunlop’s review do you feel have not been adequately addressed?

I am interested in your view on Dunlop’s work. I am a bit of an enthusiast for what he had to say, because it seemed most pragmatic and functional in addressing the undoubtedly problematic relationships that existed between the UK Government and the devolved Administrations. I am interested to know your take on Dunlop and, where the recommendations have not been implemented, on how delivering them in full might create a genuine or actual reset in the way in which the UK Government and the devolved Administrations work together.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

From what you have just said, I take it that the Scottish Government knew that fisheries were part of the set of negotiating cards that the UK Government was playing with the EU.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

And you knew nothing about the 2038 deal, which was apparently struck in the morning.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is a political issue, and it will be resolved—as these matters are—by people voting. We have an election very shortly, and it is up to Angus Robertson, Keith Brown and the other nationalists on the committee and in the Parliament to make the case for that. I think you will find—and some of you are honest enough in your hearts to know this—that the vast majority of people in Scotland have more pressing considerations and priorities, and that will shape how people vote.

However, this is a question of politics. Constitutional arrangements are very clear. The law is very clear. The issue should be determined—as you have said and as we would say—as a matter of democratic process. That is how it has been done in the past in this country, and that is how it will be done in future.

Frankly, the whole inquiry has been a fractious waste of time, because what we have heard in evidence time and again is what we already knew, which is that the Supreme Court judgment makes it clear that the powers rest with the sovereign Parliament of the United Kingdom. The evidence that we have received from many of the experts is also stacked heavily in the corner of those who say that the country has a very liberal and flexible constitutional arrangement, and the evidence of the past proves that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Legal Mechanism for any Independence Referendum

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Well, the experts—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

No, it was a precursor.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

You can call those IGR meetings.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 18 December 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes. There is no structure or schedule of meetings. It is not like the Council of Ministers in the European Union.