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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 December 2024
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

Excellent. That is very good.

I would like you to give us some background on the job description of the public appointments advisers, because that is not a staff position but a contractor position. How does that work, and how is that going?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

How frequently is there a refreshing of the contractors? How does that work?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

Good morning, Ian. Welcome back to the committee, and well done on being able to comply with the Auditor General’s list of recommendations. Were there 10? I cannot remember.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

Right, okay—there were 22 altogether.

I will ask you first of all about resource, because that was one of the challenges that you had to deal with when you came into office. How is that going now? Where are you in terms of your complement?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

There are 100-odd appointments every year.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

What about the profile of those people? You will understand the reason why I am asking that in relation to recruitment to public bodies, which is an important part of what you do. What is the profile of the people who act as public appointment advisers?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

Can you give us a sample of the different backgrounds that they have?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

I will get to the point of why I am asking about that. I understand that protected characteristics and diversity are important, and I can see that a lot of effort goes into those considerations, but one aspect of the profiles of those who serve on public boards is that they are all pretty much alike. For example, they predominantly have high incomes. The number of people who serve on boards or who are chairs of boards who earn low to middle incomes is pretty small compared with the number who earn over £75,000 a year. The people who are appointed to public bodies, including chairs, also predominantly have public sector backgrounds. Relatively few of them—maybe around half as many—are from the private sector, and even fewer are from the voluntary sector. What is happening that means that there seems to be that replication, with the same sort of people joining those public body boards? From an optics point of view, that seems to be somewhat less than optimal.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

Are they predominantly public sector people with high incomes?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

A refresh.