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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 April 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Stephen Kerr

That is fair enough. I suspect that Ellie Bevan might be in the same boat. I keep coming back to you for opinions, Professor Cardwell. What is your response?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is accepted in the UK. I think that the UK was number 1 in 2021 and is always in the top two, which is something to be grateful for. That is because of the kinds of things that we are talking about.

I have a question for Ms Bevan from Taith. I admire the way in which the Labour Administration in Wales has invested in Taith. You basically have about £15 million a year over a four-year stretch to invest in it. In Scotland, there is nothing, other than—as Gillian Mackay mentioned—SEEP, which has, I think, had only £1 million of funding in total. We are really far behind Wales.

Have you had discussions with the Scottish Government about what we can learn from Taith so that we can fast-track the roll-out of our own version of it in Scotland? I think that that would have cross-party support.

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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Stephen Kerr

As a Scottish Parliament committee, we are interested in what is happening in Scotland and the Scottish Government’s initiative in this policy area. Did I hear correctly that you have not had any interaction with the people who are administering SEEP? I agree that there is so much to learn from talking to everybody and anybody about all those ideas and how to best make them work. Am I right in understanding that this end of the UK has not engaged with you at all?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Stephen Kerr

I will continue on the same subject that Alexander Stewart raised and that you have been commenting on, Professor Cardwell. Can you give us a breakdown of how much of the roughly £270 million a year that the UK was paying in to Erasmus+ would have been spent directly on UK students—specifically students rather than staff or others—for them to go and spend time in the European Union?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Stephen Kerr

At the beginning, I should have declared an interest in that my daughter took part in the Erasmus+ programme when she was a student. She went to Nancy for, I think, five months as part of her degree at the University of Stirling.

I am a big, enthusiastic supporter of student exchanges, but I want to ensure that the maximum opportunity is available to students, regardless of their background. That is why I am interested in how much of the funding was spent directly on UK students and how that money was spent. I have a fair idea, because I have in front of me some numbers from the House of Commons library that are contained in the wider briefing that we received. According to those numbers, there were roughly 10,000 UK higher education participants in the Erasmus+ programme annually, but the number who participate in the Turing scheme is three times that. I think that Peter Brown said that the Turing scheme is all-directional.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Stephen Kerr

Unidirectional?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Stephen Kerr

Do you know what the length of stay in an institution would be? I mentioned five months. Do we know how long the nearly 30,000 students spent in the institutions that they went to? Is that information available, to your knowledge?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Stephen Kerr

I was directing that question at Professor Cardwell, unless—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Stephen Kerr

In that case, you will be pleased to hear that I do not necessarily agree with it. I think that it is important that we measure what we have now against what we had then.

One aspect of Erasmus+ was that it included academic staff—Turing does not. In the Turing arrangement, staff members are expected to do the bilateral networking that you described earlier, directly funded by themselves or their institution, or through another method. Previously, those exchanges were publicly funded. I want to get a feel for what has changed. Can you quantify the level of academic exchange that is going on now, compared with what we had previously?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am very happy for you to answer.