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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Stephen Kerr

I thank Larry Flanagan, Seamus Searson and Tara Lillis, who have been our panellists for the past hour and a half. We really appreciate your giving us your time. We thank you for not just your oral evidence but the written evidence that you submitted in advance of the meeting, for which we are very grateful.

We will conclude our evidence taking on the alternative certification model next week, when we will take evidence from the Scottish Qualifications Authority.

The public part of today’s meeting is now at an end. We will consider our final two agenda items in private.

12:40 Meeting continued in private until 12:57.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Stephen Kerr

Audrey, do you want to comment on whether there should have been more guidance, or less?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Stephen Kerr

We will come back to that issue. I think that Audrey May was saying that some of the criticisms are a little bit after the event. It was a very difficult situation that people were managing their way through.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Stephen Kerr

Thinking back to that period, were you looking for more guidance than you got at the time?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Stephen Kerr

Kaukab wants to say a brief final word.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Stephen Kerr

I thank Audrey May and Tony McDaid for joining us. The evidence that they have given has been insightful and very useful.

I suspend the meeting briefly to allow us to change panels.

11:02 Meeting suspended.  

11:07 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Stephen Kerr

Good morning, and welcome to the third meeting of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. This morning, we are meeting in hybrid format and will hear further evidence on the alternative certification model. I have received apologies from James Dornan.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on whether to take agenda item 4 in private. Do members agree to take item 4 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Stephen Kerr

Sorry, Bob, but I think that there is something wrong with your sound. It sounds as though you are very far away.

I am told that it is all right on the broadcast and that everyone in the room can hear you well enough. Please carry on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Stephen Kerr

I have no doubt that, despite your best efforts, some young people were left behind.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Stephen Kerr

With regard to your comment about the teachers’ experience being reflected in the experience of the young people, one of the schools that we spoke to last week highlighted the need for fun to be put back into learning. I think that that is an expression of what you have just been talking about.