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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 December 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Stephen Kerr

You said that you are not directly involved in discussions with the UK Government on the contents of, or the methodology that will be applied in, the proposed EU retained law bill. Does that exclude the possibility that other parts of the Scottish Government might be talking to their UK Government counterparts in order to assess what the bill would mean?

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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Stephen Kerr

Of course, we would allow for the margin of human error that you describe, and I applaud you for quoting Harold Macmillan.

However, for the benefit of the subject committees, would it be possible to provide greater detail on where those SSIs fall?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Stephen Kerr

It is just that when a certain practice becomes common, it can be an easy, go-to way of working. I am looking for an assurance that the Government still regards the made affirmative procedure as a rare way of bringing regulations into being.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Stephen Kerr

Thank you.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Stephen Kerr

Yes, we are all for plain English, that is for sure.

Of course, I was not a member during the last parliamentary session but, in session 5, your predecessor habitually and rather helpfully wrote to subject committees to indicate the volume of SSIs that they could anticipate heading in that committee’s direction. However, that practice appears to have ended. What was the reason for the discontinuation of that practice? Is it something that could be revived?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Stephen Kerr

Some months ago, perhaps at the beginning of the parliamentary session, you produced a very colourful table, which indicated the number of SSIs. I remember it vividly.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Stephen Kerr

Something that you have touched on and which I—and, I am sure, other committee members—would agree with is having an adequate opportunity for advance scrutiny. Indeed, the theme has come up time and again this morning in relation to matters general and across the board, not just specifically on UK ministers having powers to legislate in devolved areas.

I will just leave it at that, convener.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Stephen Kerr

It is being written down by my colleague, too.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Stephen Kerr

Ah, right. People would probably find that very useful. What does the volume of SSIs look like between now and the end of the year?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Stephen Kerr

I am grateful to be here to speak to amendment 119, which seeks to ensure that, before making regulations to close schools, the Scottish ministers ensure that every child and young person is provided with a laptop and an internet connection. The committee and the cabinet secretary will not be surprised to hear that, in principle, I oppose the bill but, given that it is likely to become law, it is important that we try to improve it as much as possible. I am particularly passionate about the issue and therefore I seek to improve the bill in a way that will narrow the attainment gap, which we know is growing, and ensure that no child in Scotland, especially from the poorest families, is left behind in any way.

Until a couple of weeks ago, I was the convener of the Education, Children and Young People Committee, which heard evidence on the bill. Remote learning, which my colleague Oliver Mundell has mentioned, was one of the issues that were touched on in that evidence. The committee asked the cabinet secretary for specific assurances in relation to the provision of laptops and internet connection, particularly in circumstances in which the Government is making a decision to close schools.

It is a Scottish National Party election commitment to provide young people with devices and internet connections. The cabinet secretary may be surprised to hear me say this, but I am genuinely trying to be helpful in lodging the amendment, which brings to the fore the fulfilment of that SNP promise. I hope to be able to appeal to the Government, and to the Deputy First Minister in particular, by using his own words. Just over a year ago, John Swinney said:

“We will end the digital divide between those who have access to the rich educational resources of the internet and open that electronic world to every child in Scotland ... we are determined to tear down the barriers to education that too many children face.”

I agree with all that.