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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 February 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Stephen Kerr

Indeed.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Stephen Kerr

Cabinet secretary, you rightly paid tribute to the national performing companies, but you seem reluctant to acknowledge the consequence of what the convener rather generously called a standstill budget. In fact, the amount of money that has been given to the national performing companies has been at a standstill since 2008.

I did not catch all the numbers that you recited during an earlier answer, but I have the 2026-27 numbers for Scottish Opera. For 2026-27, it will get £8.6 million. In 2008, it got £8.5 million. This year’s number for RSNO is £4.2 million. In 2008, it was £4.3 million. By any measurement, that is a dramatic cut over time in the money that the national performing companies are receiving.

I know that you appreciate all the aspects of the world-class standard of performance that we get from our national companies, so surely you recognise the damage that has been done in recent years, and which is now going to be further inflicted on the national performing companies, particularly in the light of what the convener disclosed in relation to changes in the nature of the performers’ contracts. I do not think that, philosophically and politically, you would agree with those contract changes. What are you doing to the national performing companies through the approach that you are taking to their funding?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Stephen Kerr

I point out to those who might be watching, listening or reading the proceedings of this committee that you are responsible for a budget of £416 million. I would have thought, given your personal interest, which I acknowledge, that you might somehow have been able to be more generous and break the cycle that has lasted almost the entirety of the period that the Scottish National Party has been in government. During that time, the national performing companies have basically been shortchanged, even in the context base increases, such as the employer national insurance contribution increases, which we both bemoan. The money that they have had in increases last year and this year does not even cover that. That is the reality.

Do you have an answer to my earlier question?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Stephen Kerr

There are lots of questions that I would like to ask. Like last week, I will probably have to write a letter.

I wanted to talk to you, cabinet secretary, about the level 4 spreadsheet for the budget, and specifically about the narratives against the numbers. I also wanted to check and confirm with you that the amounts of money mentioned at level 4 that I queried in the chamber back on 14 January are correct. I ask you to confirm that there will be an additional £100,000 for the Scottish Library and Information Council, £500,000 for film houses in Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen, £1.2 million for something called an expo fund—perhaps you can say something about that briefly—and £600,000 for the proposed new museum of empire, slavery, colonialism and migration. Can you confirm that funding, along with the funding that is identified in the spreadsheet for Screen Scotland?

I ask that because you rightly pointed out in a letter to the convener, in response to the point of order that I made, that you were at risk of breaking legal provisions in the Public Services Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 by becoming involved in giving direction in relation to artistic or cultural judgment through the money that you are awarding.

Who wrote the narratives?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Stephen Kerr

The narrative.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Stephen Kerr

Oh, it is £111 million.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Stephen Kerr

What does that mean for additional money that might go to independent artists, for example? Is that going up? I do not have the relative figures to compare.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Stephen Kerr

The level 4 spreadsheet for the budget had some specific line items that would, I think, have suggested that there was some form of direction from the Scottish ministers; although the wording may have been clumsy. Are you familiar with what I am talking about?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Stephen Kerr

This is in relation to the Screen Scotland level 4 spreadsheet line. It said:

“To support growth of screen sector and reach goal of £1bn GVA by 2030”.

That was subsequently edited. The cabinet secretary was up front with the committee and said that officials had been concerned that the text against Screen Scotland funding lines might suggest that the Government is directing Screen Scotland how to deploy its grant-in-aid funding. Language can often reveal a lot. In your experience, are the section 40 provisions being adhered to? Have you have ever come across a situation in which you have had to respond to the Scottish ministers making an artistic or cultural judgment in relation to funding?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 February 2026

Stephen Kerr

What about the £500,000 for film houses in Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen?