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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

That brings the public part of the meeting to an end. I ask members to reconvene on Microsoft Teams in a few minutes. Come to think of it, there is no one on Teams. We will consider our final items in private. I wish those who are watching proceedings a very good afternoon.

12:00 Meeting continued in private until 12:28.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Good morning, and welcome to the 12th meeting in 2022 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

The first item on our agenda is an evidence session as part of our Scottish attainment challenge inquiry. We will take evidence from representatives of local authorities. I am delighted to welcome to the committee room Ruth Binks, who is the director of education, communities and organisational development at Inverclyde Council; Gerry Lyons, who is the head of education at Glasgow City Council; Tony McDaid, who is the executive director of education resources at South Lanarkshire Council; and Mark Ratter, who is the director of education at East Renfrewshire Council. Good morning to you all. I think that this is the first time in the sixth session of the Parliament that we have been able to have all our witnesses with us in the committee room, which is wonderful. You are making a little bit of history today. I thank you for your time.

I will begin with a couple of straightforward questions. We have often heard it said that the additional funds that have come through attainment challenge funding have been used to plug gaps that have arisen because of cuts that would otherwise have had to be made because of the reduction in central Government funding for local government. How do you react to that? Is there a case for saying that that has happened? Is it still happening? Let us start by hearing from Ruth Binks.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

It has always been used for additionality, Gerry. Is that what you are saying?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

That is very clear.

Tony McDaid, how about South Lanarkshire?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Let me stay with you, Tony. You know Greg Dempster.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

This is what Greg told us recently:

“When the funding in a school or an authority goes down, some of the PEF might not really be additional, depending on our definition of that. It might be used to prevent a reduction in staffing or in what is offered in the school. A school that is to lose a couple of support staff because of a change in funding or policy in the authority might use PEF to retain those staff because it knows that it needs them to make a difference and that losing them would have a negative impact.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 20 April 2022; c 15.]

Is there anything in what Greg Dempster says that bears out your experience in South Lanarkshire?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

That is a very clear position. To an extent, the issue is a silver thread that runs through so many other issues that we consider as part of our work programme, so it is not completely out there. As you pointed out, it keeps coming back up in the committee’s work.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

We could perhaps ask for a timescale in which we can expect to see the guidance that the working group has developed.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

I will give you a break for a minute. Willie Rennie wants to come in with a supplementary question. I will make way for him and then bring in Mark Ratter, which will give Mark a bit longer to prepare his answer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

What proportion of the workforce in your local authority area is on temporary contracts?