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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

We want that money to produce the outcomes that we all want, which are that the attainment gap is narrowed, that the level of attainment in general rises and that the poverty-related gap is closed. We all want those things, and we need to see them happening with the commitment that the Scottish taxpayers have made of £1 billion in that direction.

I will ask one last, very quick question before I pass on to the deputy convener. In the time that you have been the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills, you have not had a meeting with Education Scotland to discuss the detail of what is happening with this money and the progress that is being made or the measurements that need to be provided. That is correct, is it not? You have not yet had a meeting at which you have discussed those things.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

It is just that Education Scotland said that it had had one meeting with you to discuss the measurement of this money and the progress that has been made, and that was a meeting to discuss process—yes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

The specific purpose of those meetings is the focus of our inquiry, but those meetings were not happening before now—that is what I am saying.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

I am sure that my good friend Robert Halfon would be pleased to hear from you and others.

As no one wants to say anything else, I thank Nick Hobbs and Maria Galli for being with us in person to give that important evidence to the committee. We wish you a very pleasant rest of the day.

11:54 Meeting continued in private until 12:25.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Okay. That is fair enough. I will accept your list on that basis and we will look to revisit that in due course.

I thank not only the cabinet secretary but also Graeme Logan and Alison Taylor for joining us this morning. We wish you a very good day. I will suspend the meeting for five minutes to allow a change of witnesses.

11:08 Meeting suspended.  

11:11 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Are you looking for a more permanent solution?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

No—not how much has been allocated, but what it has been spent on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Is it fair to say that you do not know how that money has been spent?

09:45  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 11 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Your answer covered the first part of my question, which was on embedding practice. What about the second part, which was about the outcomes for children?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 11 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Are wellbeing issues not also very hard to measure?