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I am sure that we will bring Stephen McGhee in shortly.

One thing that jumped off the page of the CELCIS submission for me was the 0.5 per cent of children with multi-agency child plans who accessed the hubs. I found that an alarming statistic. Will Linda O’Neill explain why a child might end up with a multi-agency plan? That is an important context that we should bring out.

Forgive me if this seems too obvious a question, but I feel that I need to ask it: if only 0.5 per cent of those children access the hub, where are the other 99.5 per cent?

Those very vulnerable children were therefore in extremely vulnerable situations and were not getting the help that they needed. Is that correct?

I did warn Bruce that that would happen.

Absolutely. Lots of good stuff is coming out of this evidence session.

Yes, I appreciate that. I will bring in Michael Marra.

That was an excellent introduction, and it was good to get clarity on your wide-ranging experience. Can you talk about your experience of Scottish education and the Scottish educational landscape?

I will take some more quick-fire supplementary questions. I emphasise the importance of the quick-fire aspect.

Stephanie Callaghan talked about entering politics later on in life. I, too, entered politics later, having previously been an employer, and I agree with what you have said. I suspect that you are also right that the complaints that employers are making these days about the suitability of candidates who turn up for interviews and the internal assessments that they conduct were being made 100 years ago. However, do you agree that employers and universities have a very important voice in this debate?

I will address directly with you, if I may, part of the struggle that employers have with the education system, to see whether it accords with your experience. Employers sometimes feel that there is a snobbery in the educational establishment about vocational training and about the types of disciplines and professional skills that they are looking for in candidates whom they wish to recruit. Do you agree? Have you come across that?