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I think that you hit the jackpot with Sally Cavers, because that is what she just said. Do you want to hear from the other witnesses?

That is fine. Laurie, do you want to comment? Let us see whether we can get your internet connection to hold up.

I think that James Dornan says that he is not arguing that point.

The fact that we do not have the data has come across strongly.

Mainstreaming was mentioned in a recent exchange, and I know that Willie Rennie wants to ask about that. I give him plaudits for being so economical with words at the start of the session.

I apologise to colleagues who have not yet had their turn; that will come at the beginning of the next session. I want to be fair to everybody.

I thank Bruce Adamson, Stephen McGhee and Linda O’Neill for their evidence, which has been useful, interesting and informative. I thank you all for your time.

I suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

I thank Sally Cavers, Laurie Black and Ramon Hutchingson for their evidence. It has been a very useful session for the committee. We appreciate your giving us your time. I also thank colleagues for the way in which they have co-operated, given the time constraints that we were working under.

The public part of the meeting is at an end. I ask members to reconvene on Microsoft Teams to consider our final agenda item in private.

Oh dear.

As I understand it, you are asking where the accountability is for the spend.

Who is your question directed to?