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Kaukab Stewart has a question that fits in with that.

The evidence that we have been presented with includes the statistic that the number of ASN teachers in publicly funded schools fell by 578 in the period from 2012 to 2020, which was a 15.6 per cent reduction. Surely that must have some impact on the nature of the support that is offered.

With regard to what you have just said, do you make any distinction between support at primary school and support at secondary school?

Welcome back. We continue our evidence taking on the impact of Covid-19 on children and young people with additional support needs and care-experienced young people.

I am delighted to welcome our second panel of witnesses. Laurie Black, who is the convener of the ASN committee for the Educational Institute of Scotland—the EIS—joins us virtually. Ramon Hutchingson, who is the co-ordinator for the autism resources co-ordination hub—ARCH—in South Lanarkshire is also with us virtually. We are also delighted to have with us in person Sally Cavers, who is head of inclusion for Children in Scotland. We really appreciate you giving us an hour of your time to give evidence and share your experience and findings.

As I suspected, we will probably not get through all my colleagues’ questions, but I promise those who are not called that they will be the first to be called in the next evidence session.

For what I think will be the last question, I call Meghan Gallacher.

Laurie, can you repeat that last sentence? We did not hear it.

That is very clear. Do you want to hear from Sally Cavers?

That is an important clarification. I am grateful that you clarified that for me, because that thought has haunted me since I read that paper last week. However, if they were not at the hub, where were the children with the multi-agency plans?

Good morning, and welcome to the ninth meeting in 2021 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have apologies from Oliver Mundell so I welcome Meghan Gallacher MSP, who joins us for the first time today as a substitute member. I thank Meghan and invite her to declare any interests that are relevant to the remit of the committee.

We should let Stephen answer, because he has not spoken for a while.