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So, it is done in the name of the ministers.

We are putting on record the circumstances in which people’s names appear on the barred list. Other than in cases of the automatic listing that we have just heard about, what are the other circumstances that lead to people being on the list?

I will ask the same questions to Paul Mitchell. I think I have the flavour of what you might say to those questions. Most of your members certainly pay more than £3 million a year in salaries and therefore also pay the apprenticeship levy.

Leon, what would have to change in the way that the money is spent in Scotland for your members to begin to believe that they might be getting value for money? Give us the changes that you would like to see happen.

Leon, are you there?

I was starting to think that my comment about your having another career in politics had put you off so much that you had left the meeting.

Yes. Paul Mitchell has given an important piece of evidence. I thank Ross Greer for getting us to that.

I want to talk a bit more about apprenticeships, because I have a bit of a thing about them. Like Ross Greer, I think that they are fantastic things that we should all be very committed to. I presume that most of Leon Thompson’s members pay an annual salary bill in excess of £3 million. Do they? Many of them will.

So, they pay the apprenticeship levy.

Do they see that as good value for money?

That was a brilliant political answer. Based on that answer, you have another career ahead of you. Was that a no? Do they think that they do not get value for money?