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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 November 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

I support the convener’s remarks on Colin Smyth’s amendment 109, which appears to be more of a probing amendment than a realistic attempt to amend the bill. Live-capture traps for mammals are not generally used in moorland management contexts, and the consequences that have been described by the minister, Edward Mountain and others make the amendment somewhat unworkable. I also think that the amendment is out of scope and inconsistent with the purpose of the bill.

Amendment 110 would render the trap licensing scheme fundamentally unworkable in practice. Again, the minister has covered this well, but it bears repetition: trap licences are personal to individual operators, whose circumstances will vary vastly. Some will be lone operators on small landholdings and others will be on large landholdings, supporting large businesses. Likewise, the nature, extent, need and purpose of trapping varies vastly, depending on the land management activity that is being carried out, the scale of the land, its topography and so on.

The effect of replacing “reasonable” with “practicable” would be to provide that trap licence holders would have to take all steps that were theoretically possible to prevent bycatch, such as standing beside the trap for 24 hours a day—I know that Colin Smyth dismissed that, but it would certainly come within the scope of the definition—as opposed to the steps that are reasonable, such as having regard to the land, its resources and risk. It is therefore essential that the reasonable steps test be retained, as it allows NatureScot to assess conduct in context and takes the flexible and risk-based approach to regulation that is envisaged by the principles of better regulation.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Stephen Kerr

The idea that John Mason puts forward—that what appears in the financial memorandum is somehow a ballpark figure or a rough estimate—is the root of many of the issues around cost that we seem to have had in Parliament in this parliamentary session. Surely, as a Government minister, you do not accept that those numbers are just thrown together. What is the rationale for the numbers in the financial memorandum? I do not believe that it is appropriate for you, a minister, to disassociate yourself from the numbers that you have published.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Stephen Kerr

Provided that there is cross-party participation in a group, whether or not the group’s focus is consistent with a party’s or Government’s policy is not really relevant. The relevant issue is that there is cross-party participation. For example, I might be involved in a number of cross-party groups that have positions or views that the current Government might not approve of. That would not be a reason for not having those groups.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Stephen Kerr

Oliver Mundell clearly articulated why it is important that the interests of the sector and the people who work in it are represented and discussed in Parliament. On that basis, I am more than content that we give our approval.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Stephen Kerr

Okay—so you do not recognise the potential impact on suppliers and contractors, which is thousands of jobs on the Grangemouth site?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Stephen Kerr

But do you understand that that is the nature of the calculation of the impact?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Stephen Kerr

If your seven times multiplier is right, we are talking about thousands of jobs.

I was interested in your reply to Brian Whittle about the background to the decision. Why on earth, given your response to Brian Whittle, did Andrew Gardner, your chairman, make the extraordinary statements that he made just a month before the announcement of the closure? He said that the future of Grangemouth was on the line because of the policies that were being pursued by the SNP and Labour.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Stephen Kerr

It was reported by a number of outlets. I have in front of me a report from The Daily Telegraph, but there are direct quotes.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Stephen Kerr

I will be very brief, but people are rightly concerned about this. It is widely known by analysts—including Alan Gelder, who is an analyst at Wood Mackenzie—that the hydrocracker unit that produces the diesel at Grangemouth went down in April and has not come back up. Diesel is the most profitable product line that comes out of the refinery, if I understand correctly. Why has the hydrocracker unit not been put back online?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Stephen Kerr

They had been aware for “well over a year.” Thank you.