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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

Your commitment is to expand that if necessary—is that correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

I appreciate how you are responding to the voice, as it were, of the survivor, because it is important that their voice is heard in the proceedings of the committee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Stephen Kerr

Another survivor said in relation to the issue of support:

“It’s not acceptable for survivors to have to keep reliving their trauma because a public body can’t get their skates on and fix things.”

That is a reflection of the frustration that you have described.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Complaint

Meeting date: 22 December 2022

Stephen Kerr

Thank you for having me on the committee. I have had experience of work in connection with public affairs, and I advise those who are watching and listening to go to my entry in the register of members’ interests if they wish to know the details.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

It is not dependent on structural change, is it? The way that you described it earlier is that it is about people and leadership—people taking the initiative to bring other people together to work on improving the delivery of a service.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

There is no denying that things can be improved; you are making that clear. However, you have also raised the spectre of the way that the public sector, in particular, often struggles with change and the delivery of change—it is a red flag, actually. Will you comment on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

What I think I am hearing—if my interpretation and comprehension skills are what they should be—is that change is quite difficult to manage in your organisations, in terms of integration and working together. I am referring to the evidence that you have submitted in writing. For example, in its submission, North Lanarkshire IJB mentioned concern about the impact that the bill would have in that

“a significant change programme”

could

“cause ... partner bodies to look inwards for a period to address organisational concerns”.

Similarly, Dundee City Council mentioned that the proposed changes would “create greater complexity”, which would cause disruption in established working relationships. Am I interpreting that correctly? Can you help me?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

Can I hear some comments from other members of the panel on what I have just said? I quoted the Northern Alliance evidence, which says that children’s services will be swallowed up and lost in the context of adult services.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

I do not want to broaden it; I want to do exactly what you have suggested, convener.

First, I turn to Nicky Connor, who is from Fife Council. Your written evidence states:

“there is no evidence to including children’s services in a NCS and the disruption that structural reform would cause would be of benefit to children and young people.”

That is a stark comment. Would you like to elaborate?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

I will ask my last question and then we can go to Fiona.

The bill is an enabling bill and it contains very little detail about what a national care service would look like. Basically, we are told that the powers will be transferred to ministers and that we will find out at some future point the detail of what the national care service’s design and structures will look like. From your point of view, is that a sensible way to make the change that you have, in part, just advocated?