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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

The setting up of that scheme is almost a form of acknowledgement that some of those cost impacts have had a hugely detrimental effect on business prosperity, business creation and business sustainability.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

But is it the most efficient way of doing that, in the absence of carbon capture and cheap electricity?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

But, basically, it is not on anyone’s radar.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

Convener, I know that one of our colleagues wants to ask further questions on the subject, so I will defer to Willie Coffey.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

What about your industry, David?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

Oh—that is the point. I see.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

There are missing elements.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

From a business point of view, the policy can get ahead of the reality, can it not?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

But to maximise the positive benefit, it is necessary to have alternatives available so that we can drive good practice—good behaviours, if you like. At the minute, such options do not exist. We have introduced a policy that creates an impact without offering any means of escape.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

However laudable the aspirations expressed may be, as you have identified in relation to what needs to be done, a plan is not a plan unless—to use Professor de Leeuw’s colourful but very pertinent flat-pack furniture analogy—it details exactly how you get from A to B. The convener and I were discussing that analogy during our intermission. We enjoyed that, because it is so illustrative of what needs to happen.

11:15  

I was also interested, Paul de Leeuw, in your comments about hydrocarbons and the rate of decline, particularly in oil and gas, because that is a huge issue for the Scottish economy. I know that we are straying into industrial policy—we have heard that a number of times, and I acknowledge that—but should the CCP include policy signals that are intended to stabilise the decline in oil and gas, in order to allow for the Goldilocks scenario that you were describing? Should there be an explicit reference to our support for the oil and gas sector?