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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 February 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

All those concerns about what is happening in Historic Environment Scotland in relation to the workplace culture, leadership stability and so on long predate any issues relating to grievances. We will come on to the grievances if time permits. I hope that it does, because the public should get a full version of what is happening here.

The reality is that, from the moment the new chief executive took post, there were problems, as you have highlighted. Five times in a matter of weeks, the chairman of HES sought to brief the sponsorship team about issues relating to the CEO’s performance. That is true, is it not? The chairman proactively informed you and your team that there were issues with the CEO, but even then, when the chairman reached out and asked for support and help, you personally refused to meet him and the board.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

The cabinet secretary gets lots of time to answer the questions. I would like him to answer the questions that I ask, not the ones that he would like to answer.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

Yes, and that is why I do not want him to give extended answers.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

So, he is allowed to take as much time as he likes. Is that how this works?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

That grievance has been on-going since May last year.

In respect of the time, I will desist from my questions now, but I will commit them to a letter.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

I have a different question for you, but I am quite happy for you to come in.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

It is different again, but you seem to be implying that you would like a freer hand in the way in which you organise and run museums and galleries, including admission charges, possibly.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

Yes, I think that that is right. That is in the spirit of what Councillor Bell said earlier about looking positively at what solutions look like. What does a realistic way of funding local services look like? That would, of course, include museums and galleries.

You have commented on the capital aspect of the settlement, but you basically have a flat cash settlement, which is a cut in real terms. Keith Brown never misses the chance, quite rightly, to invoke the employer national insurance contribution increase from the Labour Government. What does the flat cash award do to how you operate? Are you going to have to let people go? How will you deal with it?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

You cannot keep doing that, though, unless you end up in a phone box.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Stephen Kerr

Do you have a plan to deal with what you have been awarded? For example, we have talked in the past at this committee about perhaps closing wings of galleries or museums, and closing or limiting access to spaces. Is that back on the agenda, or was it never off the agenda?