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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Kaukab Stewart

From an educationalist’s point of view, we need to consider the issue very carefully. Directing methodology and pedagogy is a tricky area. From what I can see, the petition asks us to do that and to go down a certain route. I have taught synthetic phonics for over 30 years, but I have also taught the other methods. At the moment, in initial teacher education, they are trying to use a variety of those approaches. I am not commenting on whether they are doing it well enough.

There are technical flaws to synthetic phonics, because there are issues about pronunciation and how neurodiverse kids come into it. It also does not solve the issue of dyslexia. I wonder whether those issues are all behind that work. Obviously, I was not there during the previous session, but all of those issues have come to me, so, as much as I would love to get stuck into this, I wonder what our role is. Is it our role to direct the way that we teach reading and roll that out? That is what the petition is looking for, and I am not sure that that is our role.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Kaukab Stewart

Yes, I know.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Kaukab Stewart

Ruth said exactly what I was going to say—thank you for that, Ruth. I have no issue with doing what is proposed, but I am mindful of the impact on our work programme and what we would give up in order to do the petition justice—and it deserves justice.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Kaukab Stewart

I have been fascinated and hooked by everything that has been said. A lot of it resonates with the evidence that I took from headteachers from the West Partnership a couple of weeks ago, so I will come on to that.

I will talk a little bit about collective agency, which is part of that renewed mission. Sometimes, schools have felt a bit isolated over decades. Having worked in the field for many years, I am glad that schools are being recognised as part of the picture in addressing the poverty challenge and that there is recognition of the need for a multi-agency approach. That is fantastic to see.

Regarding that collective agency between the Government, which sets policies, local authorities, which implement those policies, and third sector organisations and community partners, will the witnesses give me a flavour of success stories from their local authorities and what has not gone so well? What challenges have they faced working with partner agencies?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Kaukab Stewart

That makes me think that, although there might be consistency within a local authority or within learning clusters, the challenge is the variation across Scotland’s 32 local authorities. The dilemma that I am grappling with is that we might have collective agency and the empowerment agenda, but how do we ensure consistency across the whole of Scotland?

I invite anyone to chip in on that, once Tony McDaid has dealt with my previous question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Kaukab Stewart

I thought that I would throw in that second question, which just occurred to me, before I forgot.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Kaukab Stewart

I have no difficulty with picking up from where the previous committee was, because it was going to consider the issue. Its next step was going to be to consider the matter as part of its pre-budget scrutiny. I do not have an issue with that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Kaukab Stewart

That is really welcome—thank you for letting us know about it. Does anybody else want to come in on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Kaukab Stewart

My next question, which is in a similar vein, is for Andrea Bradley and Mike Corbett. Having worked extensively in schools, I know that we will want to ensure that money is used for additional staffing, because those staff will be in front of the children, and that contact between experts and children will help the children directly. However, I have seen evidence of additional funding being used to increase the number of principal teachers. I therefore want to drill down into the issue of extra management time and the value of money being used for that instead of putting more experts in front of pupils and increasing contact between pupils and teachers, which I believe is a good way of increasing attainment and achievement. Andrea, do you have anything to say about that?