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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I will go to Derek Frew first, to be followed by Andrew Tickell and Tony Buchanan.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I understand that there needs to be a balance between doing things quickly and doing them correctly and that the two are not necessarily the same thing, but I am mindful that we are taking evidence from duty bearers and rights holders about their views on implementation so that we can get an idea of what a realistic timescale might be. The committee can then take a view on that.

Derek Frew, do you have anything to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Does Fulton MacGregor have any supplementary questions, or is he satisfied with those answers? I see a thumbs up.

Before we close, I point out that this will be the main evidence-taking session on this subject. We had the earlier panel, and we will also be hearing from the cabinet secretary. Do you think that that represents sufficient scrutiny of the amendments? If not, what advice would you give us and what thoughts would you share with us in that respect? Should we hear from any other witnesses? Any comments on that would be really helpful to the committee.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

That might be a good question for Fiona Menzies to come in on.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

The Scottish Government has committed to a three-year implementation plan. Is that reasonable and realistic, bearing in mind what you have just said about the need to get things right from the beginning to avoid litigation?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you very much.

Andrew Tickell, let us come back to your opening statement. The committee welcomes your perspective on the bill. It is our job to scrutinise it in the widest possible sense, so we are on the same page.

What is your view of the Scottish Government’s approach to responding to the Supreme Court judgment and its proposed amendments? The general view of the previous panel of witnesses was that there is no alternative. Do you have a perspective on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

The Scottish Government’s proposals.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

On that note, I thank all the witnesses for appearing.

That concludes the formal part of our business, and I wish everyone well for the rest of their day.

11:57 Meeting continued in private until 12:16.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

We resume with our next panel of witnesses. I welcome Councillor Tony Buchanan, who is the children and young people board spokesperson from COSLA. I also welcome Derek Frew, who is the temporary chief superintendent, head of partnerships, prevention and community wellbeing from Police Scotland, and Dr Andrew Tickell, who is a senior lecturer in law at Glasgow Caledonian University. I welcome all three of them and thank them for joining us.

I will invite each witness to make some brief opening remarks, should they wish to do so, before we move to questions from me and from other committee members. I invite Councillor Buchanan to speak first.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Juliet, do you want to comment?