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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you for that, minister. In our communications with members of the panel, and during the participatory process, what has come through is that members of the public do not see the portfolios in silos. Their lives are interconnected, and lots of issues impact on them. There is crossover in all of those—for instance, between housing and education. Their question is about the different portfolios and different departments working together in order to produce a budget that is relevant and appropriate in that way.

Can you or Rob Priestley give us further information about delivering a diverse workforce? I think that the intent behind that question was that a diverse workforce would be reflective of the diversity of the children that those people will work with.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you—that concludes the evidence session. We will take time to reflect on the evidence that we have heard. We will be grateful to accept offers from the members of the panel to supply further information on matters that arose during the session and we look forward to getting that information. We will also write to the Scottish Government in due course. I thank the minister and her officials—Rob Priestley and Fi Robertson—for their attendance.

11:54 Meeting continued in private until 12:27.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I have a quick supplementary question. Who is the implementation working group responsible to?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Good morning and welcome to the 20th meeting in 2023 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have received apologies from Annie Wells and Paul O’Kane.

The first item of business is to decide whether to take agenda item 4 in private. Do we agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Agenda item 2 is pre-budget scrutiny. In this evidence session, we have a citizens panel from the whole family equality project. I refer members to papers 1 and 2.

We all met previously during an engagement session, so I am delighted to welcome you back here. I realise that this setting is more formal than our previous meeting was. I will introduce myself and then invite the other committee members to introduce themselves. My name is Kaukab Stewart and I am the convener of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you, members. I invite the members of our panel to introduce themselves, briefly. We will go from left to right, as I see it.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you. Once again, you are very welcome.

I know that you are supported by other members of your group in the public gallery; we welcome them, too. I recognise their input in enabling us to be in this position today.

I understand that John is going to make an opening statement and that each of you is then going to read out a question—or questions—that you would like the committee to put to the Minister for Equalities, Migration and Refugees in our session later this morning.

John, I invite you to begin your statement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you—that was very helpful.

To reassure you, Afam, I should say that your question will be asked by my colleague Fulton MacGregor, who is on his way to the Parliament as we speak. He will be coming in a little way through the meeting, before the minister starts—he is just running late.

We have a few minutes left. Would the witnesses like to comment further? From the committee’s point of view, we are particularly interested in whether the Parliament can do anything more to support citizens such as yourselves to be able to talk confidently about budget provisions. Is there anything further that can be done in that respect? If you do not have an answer just now, that is okay, but please do feed back to us on that.

While you think about that, I will ask my other question. How could more people get involved in this work? How could we enable that to happen? Afam, you indicated that you would like to say something.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you—that was a very helpful and valuable insight. You are correct that the Parliament is built on the principles of transparency and accountability. I know that MSPs walk past the meeting rooms, so your point about having the door open, so that they can walk in and listen directly, is a powerful one, and thank you for making it.

I see that Fulton MacGregor has joined us. Fulton, I will give you just a couple of minutes to find your feet. You will be asking Justine’s question. Would you like any further information from Justine about why the panel picked it? That is what the other committee members have been asking, but you do not have to, as we are coming to the end of this session.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

That will be great. Thank you very much.

We move on to questions from Maggie Chapman.