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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I suppose that £60 is quite a lot of money to a lot of people. If we are trying to ensure that the law, in every aspect, is accessible to as many people as possible, there will be many people who would think that £60 is quite a lot of money.

I understand what Andrew Stevenson said about reducing vexatious complaints, and that has worked. I am considering the balance of risk. Will a £60 charge put off people who need to access the law? Is that risk worth taking? There is a balance to be struck.

You can come back on that one if you wish.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you. We will move to questions. We have quite a few areas to cover, so, as I indicated earlier, I encourage witnesses to be succinct in responding to the substance of each question. On that note, we will crack on.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Okay. Thank you very much.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Fulton, I am conscious that we are running slightly over time. If panellists have something to offer directly, that will be great, but if not, I will move on. Are you content, Fulton?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Those comments are very helpful and you made them in less than five minutes, so there you go.

That concludes our formal business this morning. I thank the witnesses for their attendance and for giving very good evidence and making it easily understandable. It will certainly help with our scrutiny.

We will move into private session to consider the remaining items on our agenda.

11:19 Meeting continued in private until 11:34.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Good morning, and welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2023 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, in session 6. We have received no apologies this morning.

Our first agenda item is the third evidence session on the Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill. I refer members to papers 1 and 2. Members will note that the further correspondence that we have had with the Minister for Victims and Community Safety is in annexes B to D of paper 1. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee took evidence from the minister at its meeting last week and has subsequently written to the Lord President of the Court of Session for his thoughts on potential changes to the delegated powers provision in the bill. That letter is in annex E of paper 1. The DPLR Committee expects to report to this committee in advance of our evidence session with the minister on 5 December.

I welcome to this morning’s meeting Rosemary Agnew, who is the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman; Colin Bell, who is chair of the Scottish Solicitors’ Discipline Tribunal; and Neil Stevenson, who is chief executive of the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission. You are all very welcome.

I invite each of our witnesses to make brief opening remarks, should they wish to. I start with that offer to Rosemary Agnew.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Would you like to share it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I will bring in my colleague Annie Wells, who is joining us online, this morning.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Annie, do you have any supplementary questions?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I will bring in Maggie Chapman to pursue that line of questioning.