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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 April 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Collette Stevenson

Good morning, and welcome to the 14th meeting in 2023 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. The only item of business on our agenda today is the committee’s consideration of the Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill at stage 2. The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Shirley-Anne Somerville, joins us for the item. The cabinet secretary is accompanied by her officials, but they cannot take part in the debate and will not be named in the Official Report.

All members should have a copy of the bill as introduced, the marshalled list of amendments, which was published on 25 May, and the groupings of amendments, which sets out the amendments in the order in which they will be debated. There will be one debate on each group of amendments. I will call the member who lodged the first amendment in that group to speak to and move that amendment and to speak to all the other amendments in the group.

If members who have not lodged amendments in the group wish to speak, they should indicate that by catching my attention if they are in the room or by typing R in the BlueJeans chat box if they are online.

I will conclude the debate on the group by inviting the member who moved the first amendment in the group to wind up. Standing orders give any Scottish minister a right to speak on any amendment. I will, therefore, invite the cabinet secretary to contribute to the debate just before the winding-up speech.

Following debate on each group, I will check whether the member who moved the first amendment in the group wishes to press it to a vote or to withdraw it. If they wish to press it to a vote, I will put the question on that amendment. If a member wishes to withdraw their amendment after it has been moved, they must seek the committee’s agreement to do so. If any committee member objects, we will immediately move to the vote on the amendment.

If a member does not want to move their amendment when called, they should say, “Not moved”. Please note that any other member may move the amendment. If no one moves the amendment, I will immediately call the next amendment on the marshalled list.

Only committee members are allowed to vote. Voting in any division is by show of hands. It is important that members keep their hands clearly raised until the clerk has recorded the vote. I ask members joining us online to make sure that their hand is clearly visible on the screen.

The convener has a personal vote as a committee member and a casting vote in the event of a tie. How I, as convener, use my casting vote is entirely at my discretion; there are no agreed conventions on this point. However, if my casting vote is to be used, I will indicate the basis on which I will use my casting vote immediately before doing so.

The committee is required to indicate formally that it has considered and agreed to each bill section and schedule, so I will put a question on each section at the appropriate point.

We will now consider the amendments.

Section 1 agreed to.

Section 2—Inclusion of names of charity trustees on the Scottish Charity Register

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Collette Stevenson

Amendment 1, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is in a group on its own.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Collette Stevenson

Amendment 18, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is in a group on its own.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Collette Stevenson

We will commence the meeting again.

Amendment 23 not moved.

Section 17 agreed to.

Schedule—Further modification of the 2005 Act

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Collette Stevenson

I call amendment 23, in the name of Jeremy Balfour, which has already been debated with amendment 22. I invite Jeremy Balfour to move or not move the amendment.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Collette Stevenson

Amendment 15, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 17 and 19.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 June 2023

Collette Stevenson

That ends stage 2 consideration of the bill. I thank the cabinet secretary and her team for joining us.

I confirm that amendments for stage 3 can now be lodged with the legislation clerks.

Meeting closed at 09:53.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Collette Stevenson

TikTok, for example, is hosted in China. How would a senior manager liability clause be applied? How would it be applied in the case of TikTok, which is based in another legislature and another country? Wendy Hart, do you want to come back in on that? How feasible is that? I know that you did not want to touch on the bill, because it is still going through, but these are questions that everybody needs to hear answers to.

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Collette Stevenson

Do the witnesses’ organisations work or collaborate with TikTok or Facebook currently?

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Collette Stevenson

In several of your submissions, you have mentioned indirect victims. Stuart Allardyce, in your submission, you say that better outcomes need to be promoted for indirect victims. Could you elaborate on that and explain what an indirect victim is?