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We will commence the meeting again.

Amendment 23 not moved.

Section 17 agreed to.

Schedule—Further modification of the 2005 Act

I call amendment 23, in the name of Jeremy Balfour, which has already been debated with amendment 22. I invite Jeremy Balfour to move or not move the amendment.

Amendment 15, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 17 and 19.

That ends stage 2 consideration of the bill. I thank the cabinet secretary and her team for joining us.

I confirm that amendments for stage 3 can now be lodged with the legislation clerks.

TikTok, for example, is hosted in China. How would a senior manager liability clause be applied? How would it be applied in the case of TikTok, which is based in another legislature and another country? Wendy Hart, do you want to come back in on that? How feasible is that? I know that you did not want to touch on the bill, because it is still going through, but these are questions that everybody needs to hear answers to.

Do the witnesses’ organisations work or collaborate with TikTok or Facebook currently?

In several of your submissions, you have mentioned indirect victims. Stuart Allardyce, in your submission, you say that better outcomes need to be promoted for indirect victims. Could you elaborate on that and explain what an indirect victim is?

It is interesting, because we were at a Families Outside event last night that was hosted by Rona Mackay. The panel touched on the impact that it has when a person is imprisoned: the stigma and even the cost involved. Families Outside has done a fantastic report, “Paying the Price: The Cost to Families of Imprisonment and Release”. Stuart Allardyce—I am doing a bit of networking here—have you worked with Families Outside or could you link in with that?

That is good to know. Thank you.

My other question is on the Online Safety Bill. The bill seeks to make social media companies legally responsible for keeping children and young people safe online. Do any of you have any views on whether that will be feasible? What will that look like? Is the bill robust enough to achieve those aims? Are significant amendments required?

I will bring in Graeme McAlister on the potential for childminders to provide a funded wraparound service alongside schools.