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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 November 2024
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Màiri McAllan

As I said earlier, the draft budget that I have proposed is credible in respect of climate change. It does all the things that I set out to do, which are to fund my legal requirements, to keep our transport network running safely and to rise to the climate emergency. I have not been able to do that in every single budget line, as previously, because of capital cuts, principally. This year, the bus partnership fund, sadly, is one that I will not be able to fund.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Màiri McAllan

That is currently being reviewed, and the transport minister is looking at that very carefully. I always like to think of it as two different projects: one is the project that you referred to, for enhancements by 2026, and the other is the decarbonisation work.

Within the context of the available funding, the transport minister is considering the rail enhancements that can be taken forward in the coming years. She is leading on that work and will update committee members. I can, however, say two things today. First, we remain utterly committed to that work. Secondly, we are constrained, to an extent, by the pervasive cut of up to 10 per cent in our capital budget.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Màiri McAllan

I do not have those figures in front of me. I am always keen to be as accurate as possible with the committee, so, unless my colleagues have those figures, we might have to get back to you on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Màiri McAllan

I will answer that question in two parts. When I move to the second part, I ask you to give me a second to find the line in my book on the heat networks fund. First, I will give an overview of the work on heat in buildings.

I am pleased with the funding that we have managed to secure in draft for the coming year. It is £358.2 million, which will allow us to maintain our schemes in the coming year. That is part of a wider commitment to spend £1.8 billion by the end of the parliamentary session and will mean that, by the end of 2024-25, around £1.3 billion should have been invested.

I stress that I am very pleased about that, because I see it as being one of the principal means by which we make progress on a heavily greenhouse gas-dependent part of our economy.

12:00  

If you will bear with me, I have a note of all my heat in buildings project lines, and I will find the line on Scotland’s heat network fund—here it is. The original commitment was £300 million by March 2026. We have £25 million drafted into the budget for the coming year.

On our achievements, we have funded the extension of Aberdeen City Council’s Torry heat network, which is decarbonising homes by using recovered waste heat from a new energy-from-waste facility. That is an example of what we have done to date.

In respect of the full commitment, like a lot of the work in heat in buildings, uptake is increasing. I think it was always to be expected that this would be back-loaded, as it were.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Màiri McAllan

I will come to Kersti Berge if she has anything to add about that. You will have to forgive me; I have 10 or so individual schemes across the heat in buildings work.

My understanding of the heat network fund is that it offers a variety of financing mechanisms, including grants, repayable assistance and loans, to provide tailored support to public and private sector organisations. It is not limited to the work of local authorities in relation to their local heat and energy efficiency strategies. Kersti, if I am missing the point on any of that, please say more.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Màiri McAllan

I obviously would prefer that every local authority had met the deadline, but, equally, I understand how all the capacity constraints that I listed can affect projects such as this and how different local authorities have different capacities to take it on. However, we are really only talking about a matter of months. As I say, I expect them all by the end of the financial year.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Màiri McAllan

In that vein, my reflection on the work on the bill and the waste route map, which the committee is looking at closely, is that it is the culmination of years of work and extensive engagement. It will do two exciting things. First, it involves looking again at our targets for recycling and waste generally in the context of the climate emergency. I am conscious that some of our targets predate the emergency’s confirmation in about 2019.

I apologise—I have lost my train of thought about the second thing that the work will do, so I should probably end there.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Màiri McAllan

Absolutely no decision has been taken on that, and it would be wrong of me to pre-empt the work of the task force and the business case review.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Màiri McAllan

Where there is no decision, that is all that I can say.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Màiri McAllan

We pointed earlier to the fact that delays—or those by any other name—are to do with ensuring that the funding is available to match the pace and development of the project within any financial year. As Alison Irvine pointed out, we have businesses cases, they are being reviewed, and there is funding in the budget for when that progresses.