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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Elena Whitham

So, at this point in time, you are content that it will be an iterative process because of the long lead-in time before we will see the results and that the best way of dealing with that will be through secondary legislation rather than through the bill.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Elena Whitham

Section 32 seeks to insert in the 1996 act provisions that deal with

“Liability for taking or killing stray farmed deer”.

In particular, it introduces an offence of

“failing to report taking or killing of stray farmed deer”

and a defence of civil liability in that regard. What are the reasons for introducing those provisions regarding stray farmed deer? Is it believed that they will effectively help with the management of stray farmed deer?

Looking at the provisions, it seems that they refer to the liability of the person who has actually taken the farmed deer as opposed to effective management to prevent farmed deer from escaping in the first place.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Elena Whitham

Last September, the committee took evidence from Fisheries Management Scotland, which pointed out to us that

“poaching for salmon and sea trout is the highest volume wildlife crime in Scotland”.—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 4 September 2024; c 29.]

It also has one of the highest rates of conviction of any class of wildlife crime.

However, fish poaching also has the lowest fines—under £250 on average—and wild salmon has been classified as an endangered species. There is a real concern that the fines do not act as a disincentive for that illegal activity. FMS has identified that the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill could be a means of introducing amendments to the Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 2003. I would like to flesh that out and to ask whether officials will commit to working with FMS to examine the potential for an amendment to be made to the bill to increase the fines for the most serious of fish poaching offences.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Elena Whitham

I would also like to explore why there is no legal requirement in the bill to align the targets with the overarching 2030 or 2045 goals, given that the policy memorandum sets out the intention that the targets align with those timeframes. Why is that not in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Elena Whitham

That is helpful. It is good to have a marker down in relation to the incentive schemes that you mentioned. Although the bill’s provisions may not address the issue, as you rightly point out, the committee needs to be very aware of the issue in the lowlands.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Elena Whitham

So, it is specifically about dealing with that rather than how we support farmers of deer to ensure that they do not have escapes into the wild.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Elena Whitham

Good morning, everybody. The convener has already touched on this issue. Given that the goal is to halt nature decline by 2030, when will the Scottish Government seek to commence section 1 to ensure that regulations are introduced within a meaningful timeframe, given the tight timeframe that is in front of us?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Elena Whitham

I will come back on that briefly. I could also speak about this topic all day, given my background as a Scottish Women’s Aid worker.

Do you feel that we are at a point at which we are speaking a lot about the issue but have not quite realised the embedding and mainstreaming of full equalities, including taking a gendered look at the different policy decisions that we make? Will the absence of a human rights bill make that more tricky to achieve? Do you feel that it is the panacea that will help us to get over that hurdle and implement those things on the ground?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Elena Whitham

My apologies, convener—the technical issues that I experienced at the beginning of the meeting meant that I missed the first few discussion points.

I wish to explore the structural barriers to justice a little bit further and, specifically, how those relate to the quest for human rights budgeting. We could also think about that issue in terms of the mainstreaming of equalities, perhaps with a gendered lens on it—that is, we need to think about gender budgeting as well. I am really aware of the issue of access to justice for those seeking remedy for domestic abuse, specifically in remote and Highlands and Islands areas. Would either Angela O’Hagan or Luis Yanes comment on that, please?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Elena Whitham

That illustrates well the issue that I have come across over many years. When we talk about the size of the pie, we forget about how the pie is divvied up and how organisations are responsible for divvying it up in a way that reflects the needs of the people they are seeking to serve. It is helpful that we have that on record in the committee this morning. Thank you.