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I will need to read that back in the Official Report to understand and process that answer. It is a complicated picture, which is why it is a polarising option at the moment.

We will suspend briefly until we can get Richard back.

How ironic is that? I will hand back to you to finish answering Pam Duncan-Glancy’s question.

I think that Mark Simpson wants to come back in before we move on to Miles Briggs.

I thank both our witnesses for giving evidence. As always, your report and your evidence will help us in our scrutiny function.

Thank you for your time this morning, Mr Dennis. It would be very helpful to the committee if you could get back to us by 8 June, if possible, with the information that you so kindly said you would provide to us. That would allow us to have the information when we need it.

That concludes our penultimate formal oral evidence-taking session for this inquiry. We will be hearing next from the Scottish Government, and I should also say that the committee will be meeting its experts by experience panel informally on 6 June to take stock of the evidence that has been heard and hear their suggestions for improvements.

I suspend the meeting for about five minutes for a changeover of witnesses and a comfort break.

That is perfect, thank you.

If you want to come in quickly on the previous question, that is okay.

Thank you. We move on to the final two questions.

On the point about people with no recourse to public funds, it will probably benefit the committee if we can get an update on the anti-destitution strategy that is being worked on between COSLA and others.

We move on with some questions from Miles Briggs.