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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 March 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Absolutely. Everybody on this committee would absolutely concur with that. As I said earlier, when I was at my dentist, they were completely hazmat-suited up. It must have been horrendous, and your point is duly noted.

That concludes the public part of the meeting. We intend to continue the inquiry at next week’s evidence session, and we will hear from the Scottish Government on 29 June.

11:20 Meeting continued in private until 11:37.  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Thank you very much. I call Jackie Baillie.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

There is no need for the witnesses to touch their buttons, as broadcasting will operate the microphones.

We move to questions, the first of which will be asked by Murdo Fraser.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

I have a question on coming out of the pandemic. I fully accept your answer on whether what was done was proportionate at the time. For me, it absolutely was—it was the only way things could have been done. Dentists are spraying in people’s mouths and stuff will go everywhere, so I understand that the approach was essential.

However, I am more interested in recovery. Did you lose dentists as a result of the stress that the Covid pandemic put on them? I went to my dentist during the pandemic, and the staff were completely covered in PPE, wearing masks and going about with huge gloves on. I was in there for half an hour and felt awful, but they were dressed in full hazmat gear all day. How many dentists dropped out of the profession as a result of stress?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Where is the workforce just now, compared with what it was before the pandemic?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Okay.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

No one has more questions, so that brings us to the end of our session, which has given us a lot to think about.

I thank our witnesses for their time. The committee’s clerks will keep in touch with you in case you would like to raise anything further with us or give us more information.

10:04 Meeting suspended.  

10:07 On resuming—  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

I welcome our second panel to the meeting: Adelle McElrath, interim director of dentistry and dental practice adviser at NHS Borders; Antony Visocchi, director of dentistry at NHS Shetland; and Dr Declan Gilmore, director of dentistry at NHS Tayside. Thank you for giving us your time this morning on Zoom.

We estimate that the evidence session will run until around 11.20 am. Each member will have approximately eight minutes to speak to the panel and ask their questions. If you would like to respond to an issue being discussed, please type R in the chat box and we will bring you in.

I am keen to ensure that everyone gets an opportunity to speak, so I apologise in advance if I have to interrupt members or witnesses in the interests of brevity.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Before moving to Brian Whittle, there is one thing that I am looking for clarification on from Adelle McElrath. Are the grants that you were talking about the £100,000 Scottish Government grants that allow you to set up a new practice?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

I will move on to John Mason now and come back to Brian Whittle, because John’s theme follows on from the previous one.