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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

There are things that we will need to negotiate going forward, but we do not stop going forward, because we hope that we will find agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Water Industry

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

It sounds to me like you are getting obfuscation when you are asking for answers to legitimate questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

Yes, eventually.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

I will try to be very quick. If I ask daft laddie questions, I apologise—I am just catching up with what this is.

The briefing papers say that the

“Strategies will identify ... potential heating system changes that may occur in a local area following extensive analysis and consultation”.

I am going to lead to where Douglas Lumsden was a minute ago, but first I want to get clear in my head: how is this heat going to be used? How will you physically get it to the consumer?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

I am sorry, but questions keep getting sparked by other people asking questions.

Monica Lennon was asking about energy from waste, and there is a presumption against building new incinerator plants. I think that I am also right in saying that there is a ban on municipal waste for landfill. Is there not value in continuing to get better technology into incinerator plants if we are going to develop those energy from waste systems?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

I completely agree, and we want to move to a circular economy. However, that does not mean that we will genuinely reduce the amount of waste to the point where we do not need landfill. We are still going to have waste, and probably considerable amounts of it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Water Industry

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

Yes. Alan Sutherland, you just said that stopping a problem from happening is probably a better solution than dealing with it after it happens. That takes me on to an area of questioning that the convener might try to stop me from talking about; it is a constituency issue. However, the point that I will raise was brought up in the minutes of your meeting on 21 September 2022, about the Glenfarg project.

The Glenfarg project is clearly being developed, and a lot of money is being spent on it, but it involves putting three or four storage tanks at the water source, for a system that is supposed to supply Glenrothes, which is 17 miles away. The piping to the system in Glenrothes has various leakages that are known about, but the storage tanks are being put in at the source rather than at the other end.

10:30  

You have raised issues in the past about the completeness of the information that you get from Scottish Water, and what you are not getting from it, to allow you to perform your regulator role. Do you have any oversight of the operational side of that? There is something that I do not understand. In one of your group meetings, in September 2022, David Satti commented that £799 million of funding had gone into Scottish Water, but he could not determine whether there had been any great improvements.

Now, I am hearing about a project that is getting several million pounds of investment, but the storage is being put in at the source rather than at the place where it will be consumed. If there is a leak or something else happens in the 17-mile pipe system from the source to the consumer, what is the point of having a storage system at the source when it could quite easily be at the consumer end? It makes no sense whatsoever. Are you able to answer that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Water Industry

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

We will be having that conversation.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

If I have this right, you are saying that, in effect, heat will be pumped into a building via a pipe network. The heat that is being distributed to a property will have to be paid for—is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

I apologise for asking another question, convener, but that leads me to the regulatory side of energy. Minister, do you foresee yourself coming up against the UK Government when it comes to how you regulate the price of the heat that goes into properties?