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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

We have had various responses—I was trawling through them in the early hours of this morning. A number of organisations across the industry are saying that we need a guarantee of multiyear funding for at least five years.

Other than the Deputy First Minister speaking to the Treasury at the tail end of last year, is there on-going engagement with the UK Government to make sure that we can give our farming community that certainty for at least five years? It used to be seven years when we were in the EU—we are now looking at five.

A farmer can make quick decisions—I accept that; I have done it myself—but they also need to know where they will be in the longer term. What engagement is there with the Treasury right now?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

I have one further point. We had Jonnie Hall before the committee, who talked about what would happen if the UK Treasury runs down the value of agricultural support in England. Even if we keep 17 per cent of a much smaller budget, it will still reduce the budget that the Scottish Government will then have to support agriculture here, unless there is a specific guarantee from Westminster that the overall quantum stays the same, or is greater, given the demands of the industry. Is that correct?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

That is why I specifically asked about peat. It does not come under the bill.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

I did say at the start of my question that I found this to be a curiosity and that I was not going to hold you to anything.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

Just to follow up on Alasdair Allan’s question, I wonder whether the Scottish Government’s support through base payments—and we are talking about 80 per cent of the tier 1 and tier 2 payments here—crosses over into the internal market act. As Jonnie Hall alluded to, Scottish producers could, in theory, be given a market advantage with regard to the price that they could look for in the marketplace.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

Good. Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

My question has been kind of answered already. I was not going to hold you to this, but when you talked about simplification, I remembered how, when the regions were changed from two to three, it massively complicated things. I was going to ask you—and, again, I am not holding you to anything—to give me an example of what that simplification might look like. Have you put some thought into that?

Secondly, with regard to recovery of public funds, if somebody has taken public funds to restore peatland, for example, but they do not get to it—and never do—will you look to recover those funds? I presume that there would be a follow-up to those kinds of schemes—that is, where public funds are received for the restoration of peatland, but the work does not happen to the extent to which it was first planned. Is that where you are going with this?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

You say that you published a plan in June of what that looks like, but there is no requirement for it to be in the bill. Is that what you meant?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

I presume that that goes back to the convener’s question about the flexibility of the bill, and that therefore, as circumstances change, you could adapt the bill to allow certain things to fit in, such as Brexit, the war in Ukraine and so on.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Jim Fairlie

My understanding of high-quality food is that it does not matter which part of the stage of production it is; the end product is going to have that Scotch assurance or red tractor assurance or whatever assurance it is, because it has gone from there to there. It may have been bred on a very high hill place that is harsh and it may look to all intents and purposes as though things are rough, but that will go through a life cycle—I am talking specifically about livestock—that will still produce high-quality food. However, if somebody then injected lambs with something that we would not necessarily accept, I presume that that is the kind of area that you would look at and say, “Well, that does not qualify.” Does that make sense?