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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Somebody will have to confirm when the pilot will be up and running.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I will have to ask Gary McIntyre whether he knows what the actual split is between fare-paying and concessionary passengers.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I said to the committee earlier that I am actively looking at all the things that we are doing and how we make the service better. That would include the particular point that you put to me.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Members are all advocating for their different areas, regions and constituencies.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

A lot of work has been done on the overall issue of antisocial behaviour. As I said earlier, the Minister for Victims and Community Safety tasked an independent working group on antisocial behaviour with looking at the issue; it was due to report by the end of 2024, but its report will be published shortly. It has gathered a wide range of evidence from all areas.

However, I make it absolutely clear—and I make this point every time that we talk about this issue—that antisocial behaviour happens not because of bus passes, but because of people behaving antisocially. As for removing cards themselves, we are still exploring the legal means of suspending access to concessionary travel for perpetrators of persistent antisocial behaviour of any age, not just the under-22s. I keep re-emphasising that, because what really bothered me about this debate was that it started to demonise under-22s using the concessionary scheme. It was giving young people a brand that they did not deserve; after all, the vast majority are perfectly well behaved.

We are still looking at removing cards, and at whether that is what we want to do. We need to work out what that would do to the scheme and the impact on other elements of the entitlement card. After all, cards are not just bus passes. This is an on-going issue that we are looking at; indeed, I will be meeting CPT tomorrow to talk about antisocial behaviour. We are actively engaged in that work.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Yes, that is part of the conversation. I have met the bus companies collectively and a number of them individually. I want to ensure that that dialogue continues. If we have dialogue, we can make progress.

I am trying to make the point that we must have that dialogue through those conversations but that the measure must be mutually beneficial. We accept that, as private companies, the bus companies have a requirement to make profit and to be successful. I will continue to have those conversations with them to ensure that we are getting the best value for public money.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

We clearly want to encourage younger people to use the bus. That is a commitment that we have talked about and it is on-going. There are also the demographics. There are more cardholders in the older and disabled persons scheme than there are in the younger persons scheme, so we are looking to get more and more young people coming into the scheme so that they do not start jumping into cars when they turn 22 or 23. We want it to be habit forming. In essence, I suppose that there is an element of reality in what you are putting to me.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

When you mention a price cap, what are you talking about? We have the caps on the older and disabled persons scheme and on the quantum.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

There has been a long-term decline in the use of buses. Whether that is—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I would counter that by saying that more and more trips are being made, particularly by those who are using the young persons bus travel scheme. There are more and more cardholders and they are making more and more journeys. That is creating habitual behaviour. I hope that young people will carry that on into their young adult life and that they will continue to use public transport. I would dispute what you say on that, convener.