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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

I am sorry, convener, but can I ask a question? Going on the premise of the points that Jonnie Hall has just made, is there not a danger that, if the UK Government does not ring fence the money, it could then Barnettise it?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

On all the points that have been made, nobody will deny that we absolutely require the best animal welfare standards. We already have them, and our farming community does extensive work to ensure that there are the right welfare standards. However, I want to go back to the first thing that Joe Hind said, which was about what we define as quality food. It will be what the customer is prepared to pay for. I hate to bring money into the discussion when we are talking about animal welfare but ultimately, if you put a £10 steak and a £4 steak in front of a consumer who is facing a cost of living crisis, they will buy the £4 steak, by and large. They will do the same thing with milk: we have had programmes in which 10p extra went to the farmer. There was a litre of milk at £1.20 or one at £1.30, and consumers bought the one at £1.20 before the one at £1.30.

That is not to put a barrier in the way of anything; I am simply pointing out that we need to find the answer so that people who are cash-strapped are able to say that all those other things are important and are prepared to pay for them out of their pockets. I do not know how you do that in a bill. If anyone has any answers, I would be delighted to hear them.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

It does. We have all talked about the need for scrutiny of how the Government spends money. If a farmer is meeting the standards that a supermarket such as Tesco or Marks and Spencer has told them are its requirements for supplying it, and the Government then says that that alone is acceptable, then there is no scrutiny other than that which is done by the supermarkets, so the Government would in fact be asking the supermarkets to be credit checkers. Do you see what I mean?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

So, you are saying that as long as one of those schemes is in place that should be sufficient.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

I think that I am correct in saying that Scotland gets about 17 per cent of the agriculture budget. Do you have any indication of whether that level of funding will continue to come to Scotland at that percentage rate, or is there a need for that to increase, too?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

Okay. Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

My apologies, convener. My understanding is that tier 1 and tier 2 might well get the vast majority of the funding, but additional conditionality will be added to that, which will pave the way for tiers 3 and 4 to be able to do their work. If I am wrong—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

How much does it need to be to get to net zero?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

You are absolutely right in everything that you say.

Pete Ritchie, I know that you have done extensive work on the matter. How do we make those higher costs that are part of producing the kind of food that we want to produce affordable for the people who want to buy it?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

You talked about the issue of long-term investment in relation to companies locating in Scotland. Do you agree that that will require a critical mass to ensure that long-term production stays in place?