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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Individual bus operators will decide whether they want to be part of the scheme. We will have to deal with that issue if it arises as we get nearer to the end of the scheme.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes, it is.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

I read that from a briefing from my officials.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

No, because we are back to 80 per cent usage. There are also increases in the number of cardholders. There are an awful lot more cardholders, and that is reflected in the percentage. Bear in mind the fact that the bus company should be no better or worse off. There are more people using the scheme, so the rate is going down. If the situation gets to a tipping point, conversations will be had with bus operators to ensure that we can continue with the scheme.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Say that to me again.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes, but more people are using the bus. Operators’ funding stream should not be dependent on Government support; it should be dependent on people using the buses. If the numbers of people have gone up—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

We can do that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

If the running costs of bus companies go up, they will manage that as an operator. I am quite sure that their costs are going up, because the costs of fuel, electricity and everything else have gone through the roof, as you are well aware.

In 2006-07, there were 900,000 cardholders. In 2023-24, there were 1,618,128 cardholders. People are using the buses—they are getting on public transport—which was the purpose of the scheme in the first place.

I get that everybody is juggling finances, Mr Lumsden. Life is difficult right now—there is no doubt about it—but the Government cannot allow rates to keep going up and up. Again, coming back to Mr Doris’s point, we are trying to protect public funds as best we can while encouraging people on to buses. It is a balancing act. It is not easy; these things are tricky. We are doing the very best job that we can.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes, we are, which is why—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Jim Fairlie

Bus companies will take commercial decisions on how much to increase their fares, and they will work out what the ratio is going to be.

On increasing the number of people who are getting on buses, we just talked about the fact that so many young people are now using buses. We are creating a habit of using this mode of transport for a generation, which will then go on to the next generation. We hope to continue that process, so that bus travel becomes an essential part of Scotland’s ability to stay connected.

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