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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I cannot answer that, unless Carole Stewart wants to chip in as to whether there has been a reduction in the network support grant usage.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

The pilot will run from January 2026 to January 2027.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

We will let you know if it is Aberdeen in due course.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I will add to that. One of the things that I considered during my discussions with Bettina Sizeland is how we ensure that we are creating behavioural change and habit-forming behaviours. We are actively looking to see whether, when people are no longer eligible for a pass, they continue to use the bus or buy their first car. It is difficult to gauge that, but we are actively trying to understand whether we are genuinely creating the behavioural change that we are looking for. It will take us a bit of time to do that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I get that people do not get to use all the ferries all the time, but I would note that in 2021 an island communities impact assessment concluded that ferry travel should not be included in the scheme at that time. We have some ferry concessions for younger people, and, as I have said, I would like to do more. I fully understand, and fully take on board, the connectivity issues faced by island and peninsular communities, and if we had more money to do as you suggest, we would do it. However, we do not, but I will continue to actively look at how we can make connectivity better for the island communities.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

You are right. I am wrestling with that. It is all very well having a bus pass, but if people do not have a bus to go on, they cannot use that pass. I absolutely accept that.

It goes back to the point that I have made to a number of members. The loss of routes is incredibly frustrating. Local authorities and bus operators make those decisions. We are limited in what we can do. We can put funding into various things. The concessionary travel scheme is working, but I absolutely take the point that you made that, if there is no bus available, the scheme is not working for those people who are affected. I am actively looking at the ability to make better provision in areas where the bus services are not as good as they should be.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I do not have data to say that, but we have seen an increase in people, in particular young people, using the bus.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Carole Stewart may want to answer that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

I give you an absolute assurance that there is a zero-tolerance approach to fraud. Under no circumstances will we tolerate anyone trying to defraud the scheme. Types of fraud include bus drivers falsely recording journeys made, and cardholders fraudulently allowing others to use their card or fraudulently obtaining a card, but such things are robustly pursued at all levels. I cannot give you a figure for how many times that has happened—officials might have that to hand—but it is not something that the Government will accept, or should be accepting.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Jim Fairlie

Whether we like it or not, we are living with a deregulated bus service. We can argue the rights or wrongs of that, but it is what it is.

You said that the percentage has gone down. It is going down, but the number of young people using buses is going up and there are more bus journeys, which is all positive.

There are on-going conversations about what else we can get out of this. I am meeting CPT—I think, tomorrow—and we are going to start talking about what more we can do to tackle antisocial behaviour. You will be aware that the minister Siobhian Brown—I am so sorry, but I cannot remember her title—will shortly be releasing a report on antisocial behaviour issues across the board, not only in relation to buses.

There are regular, on-going conversations. I met the bus operators last week and am due to meet local authorities and transport authorities in the coming weeks. I am keen to ensure that we have continuous conversations about how to make bus travel better for the public purse and for passengers while, at the same time, allowing companies to continue making a profit in order to be able to invest. We have invested a huge amount of money in electric vehicles in the past and there is a reasonably good working relationship with the sector, given that the industry is, at the moment, deregulated.

This committee was involved in passing the legislation to allow for franchising and other models that offer more involvement in what bus services supply. The conversation is regular and on-going. I will continue having it and will continue being answerable to the committee so that we can see whether we are going far enough and hard enough.