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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 December 2024
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

No, that is not the case. Strathclyde Partnership for Transport is part of the on-going process that the officials—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

The process that you talk about being used down south is the Nexus process, which was different from this one. That looked at financial aspects; we are looking at the entire effect of franchising.

I will give you an example from my area. There are cross-border issues with bus provision in my constituency, and I give this as a purely random example of a possibility. If we decided in my area to go down a franchising route, we would be required to talk to all the other areas in our locality, so that there was joined-up thinking.

The process that was used down south failed the scheme on finances. My understanding is that the business case was not robust enough, so the proposal was then rejected.

One of the beauties of what we are proposing to put in place is that anyone who wants to go down the franchising route—it will be entirely their choice whether to do so—will have to be absolutely clear in their mind that they have put forward the strongest business case, that they have consulted everyone who has a stake and a vested interest in what the franchise looks like and that they have spoken to their neighbours, because everyone knows that if you want to plant a hedge, that will affect your neighbour, and this is a similar kind of thing. Those involved will have to ensure that they have taken the biggest possible picture that they can in deciding that they want to do this and that they are going to go down this route.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

You talk about correction, but what does that mean? It means that we would go back to the primary legislation, and I can only see that creating a much longer delay, going into the next session of Parliament.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

They can slide me a bit of paper with the current timelines. I am sorry, Mr Lumsden; ask me the question again.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes. When we consider the legislative options, I would take that back to the cabinet secretary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Clearly, this is the first one that we have done, so we do not have evidence. As I said, a scheme could still be legally challenged, but this is a safeguard to ensure that everything has been scrutinised to the fullest extent and therefore that any cause for a legal challenge would be lessened. It means that everything that is required to be done in order to provide the services that we are looking to be supplied has been scrutinised at every level.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Strathclyde Partnership for Transport.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

We are in the process of working towards getting stuff done now. We are a long way down the road. I was not in the Parliament when the act was passed, so I do not know why it has taken us so long to get to this point from 2019, but we are where we are and work is being done right now. Conversations are being had about allowing the memorandums of understanding to be established so that we know what the guidance looks like.

If the regulations are passed, we will proceed at pace to get the work done as quickly as we can. I ask Sharon Wood or Bridget Bryden to speak about the timescale for progress. If we get the regulations through today, what will be the timescale for the next stage? Where would we go from here?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I would need to consider that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I could turn that round and ask, “If it is not the traffic commissioner, then who?” Who would be the decision maker? Do you want the decision to come back to ministers? That would bring the matter back into the political sphere. It was decided in 2019 that it would be taken out of the politicians’ hands, and that is where we are.

I am sorry, but what was the second part of your question, Monica? I did not write it down. I apologise.