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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I could turn that round and ask, “If it is not the traffic commissioner, then who?” Who would be the decision maker? Do you want the decision to come back to ministers? That would bring the matter back into the political sphere. It was decided in 2019 that it would be taken out of the politicians’ hands, and that is where we are.

I am sorry, but what was the second part of your question, Monica? I did not write it down. I apologise.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

A consultation is on-going at the moment with—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Sorry—my apologies. Let me correct the record. They will be consulting shortly on whether they are going to go for the franchising model.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Absolutely—we want to get it right. However, I go back to a point that I made previously. If we stop and we do not proceed with the measures that are before us, we will potentially go back to square 1.

On the evidence that you heard from Mr Bray and the proposals that were rejected, there had been a recommendation, as opposed to a final decision. We could turn that round the other way: if a transport authority knows that the final decision could be taken out of its hands, then—going back to the point that I made to Mr Lumsden—it will make damn sure that it gets it right in the first place. It will therefore do all the work and the due diligence that it needs to do to ensure that, when it presents its proposal to the panel, it has done absolutely everything within its power.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

No. The panel will be required to make its decision within a six-month period, although it will be up to whoever is presenting the franchising proposal to ensure that they have done all the work that they need to do for it to be progressed.

We are taking a belt-and-braces approach. Anyone who cuts corners will get stopped, so why start in the first place? It is a matter of having certainty that someone else is taking another look—and they might say, “You didn’t do that bit.” Those who are making a proposal should therefore do it right in the first place.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

The approach that was taken there was based on the financial model alone; it did not take the whole picture into account. That is the fundamental difference. The proposal there was rejected on the basis of a financial model.

Clearly, the financial model is a really important aspect. We want to ensure that the business case has been made to the fullest extent, and it will include everything else. We are not comparing apples with apples here; we are comparing two different things.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

If we carry on with the legislation as it is, there will be a panel, regardless. That goes back to the point that Mr Lumsden made. [Interruption.] I will let you finish your point. I apologise; that was rude.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I did not speak to the transport secretary when I learned that the motion to annul was being lodged. I looked at the concerns and at why this was becoming an issue. I take on board the issues, but I go back to the primary point that I made, which is that if the committee does not pass the SSI, that will set us back considerably.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

No. I envisage—and very much hope—that what will happen next is that the committee will pass the SSI today, which will allow us to continue to move forward with franchising. If that is not the case, I will have to go away and we will have to have some discussions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes—SPT can continue with its work.