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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

It has been fine. There’s been nae problems.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I am sorry, convener. My question is: what would the alternative be?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

What part of the process does the member want to change? We either have a panel or we do not have a panel. If we do not, that would require changes to be made to primary legislation. Does he want us to go through the primary legislation process in order to remove the panel, which would take us into 2026-27 or beyond, depending on what the political structures look like? What certainty would that give any organisation that is looking to establish a franchising system right now? If I were the chief executive of such an organisation and did not have a clue what the next Government, whatever shape or form it takes, would do on franchising, I would stop everything.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I will take Bob Doris.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I disagree with Graham Simpson’s point. If the regulations are not approved and we continue the process of creating or finalising legislation to allow franchising to go ahead, the panel will be set up, because it is in the 2019 primary legislation. The panel will be established by the traffic commissioner, who will do that entirely separately and without any involvement of the Scottish Government, ministers or anybody else. It will be entirely up to the traffic commissioner. That point needs to be clarified before the committee votes. If we do not approve the SSI, there will still be a panel, but it will have no input at all from Government or officials. [Interruption.] We have clearly set something going.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

No, that is not the case. Strathclyde Partnership for Transport is part of the on-going process that the officials—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Clearly, this is the first one that we have done, so we do not have evidence. As I said, a scheme could still be legally challenged, but this is a safeguard to ensure that everything has been scrutinised to the fullest extent and therefore that any cause for a legal challenge would be lessened. It means that everything that is required to be done in order to provide the services that we are looking to be supplied has been scrutinised at every level.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

Strathclyde Partnership for Transport.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

We are in the process of working towards getting stuff done now. We are a long way down the road. I was not in the Parliament when the act was passed, so I do not know why it has taken us so long to get to this point from 2019, but we are where we are and work is being done right now. Conversations are being had about allowing the memorandums of understanding to be established so that we know what the guidance looks like.

If the regulations are passed, we will proceed at pace to get the work done as quickly as we can. I ask Sharon Wood or Bridget Bryden to speak about the timescale for progress. If we get the regulations through today, what will be the timescale for the next stage? Where would we go from here?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Jim Fairlie

I would need to consider that.