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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 November 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Let me give you this scenario. If you had a pack of dogs hunting through a copse and a fox was flushed, and if you had two guns 75 yards either side and the fox went through the middle of them, you would have to go after it. I understand that that is a loophole, and I understand that that would cause genuine concern. However, if you have dogs hunting through a copse, most foxes will never see the hounds, because they are on the way out the other end. If you have 10 guns along the top, the fox is not going to get past the guns, therefore it is dead before the hounds are anywhere near it. Would that not solve the problem of chasing across open countryside?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Another thing that was mentioned was getting a licence for environmental reasons, which would have to be done under a scheme. Again, I will give my personal experience. I watched wading bird numbers plummet with the increased number of ravens. Nobody was paying attention to that, but the by-product of my being able to control ravens to protect sheep was that it helped to maintain wading bird numbers. Who is the best person to tell NatureScot of an environmental or ecological issue on land that it is managing? Who makes that decision?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

There will have to be co-operation and trust between NatureScot and land managers.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

It might not be that short, convener.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

I will go back a bit, because I forgot to ask you something earlier. In section 24, which is titled, “Crown application: criminal offences”, subsection (1) says:

“Nothing in this Act makes the Crown criminally liable.”

What does that mean?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

That takes me straight on to a question for you, Stefan. My question relates to how the messages were put out and how the media were used. In this country, television is trusted, but print media not so much. That applies on both sides: there are certain papers that I will not buy and there will be folk who go the other way. Is public ownership important for people to be able to trust the information that they get from television?

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

Let me stop you there for a wee second. I am going to go back to what you and Will Moy said earlier. When we have an information gap, that is when other stuff can seep in. There is a time gap too. We have information and we tell people that we are working on it and that they should stop living and stay at home to let us work it out. In the meantime, someone else comes along and feeds in other, damaging, information.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

Thanks very much to the panel for turning up. I have to say that when I started reading all this, I thought of a band in the 1980s that I loved called The Jam. One of the lines in their song, “Going Underground”, is:

“You choose your leaders and place your trust”.

That, to me, is probably the most fundamental thing. If we do not trust those who are leading us—if we do not trust their leadership—none of the other nuances that we talk about will matter. I could be completely wrong in saying that, and I would be interested to hear your views, but we have a bit of a dichotomy. First, we need that trust, but we have science working at pace trying to keep up with something that we do not understand; we have a public message going out trying to get people to change their entire way of life; and, at the same time, we have leaders saying, “Bear with us, because we don’t quite know what we’re doing yet.”

Given what we have just been through, how do we pull all that together and make it fit? We know that another emergency will come, so, very simply, how do we do that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

Public ownership of the media.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Communication of Public Health Information Inquiry

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

I refer to my original question to the previous panel. SciBeh’s evidence states:

“The key challenges of communicating public health messages during the pandemic relate to maintaining public knowledge of and trust in quickly changing information and combating misinformation.”

It goes on to say:

“Underpinning the evidence and recommendations in this statement is the critical role of public trust in institutions during a crisis. It is important to bear in mind how to tackle any challenges while maintaining public trust in health authorities and governments.”

Trust, quality and value are the things that are highlighted. I therefore come back to the point that I made earlier: none of what we are talking about matters if the public do not trust what they are getting. This is now becoming politicised. Right at the start of the pandemic it was not; there were no political arguments about it. However, it is now politicised: we might sit in the chamber or in this committee, and it gets political.

We currently have a breach of trust in the UK Government because of the Prime Minister. I am genuinely not trying to make this political, but we are not out of the pandemic—there are still things happening and there could still be another variant—so, given the situation that we are in, how do we regain the level of trust that we had at the start of the pandemic? Everything else that we are talking about is utterly irrelevant if the public do not trust what we are telling them.