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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

European Union Exit: Impact on Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

The Scottish Government plans to make direct payments to farmers on the basis of food production, and up here we also have hogg and less favoured area support scheme payments. You have none of those in England. If you start being lobbied by farmers down in England who say, “This direct support is causing us problems in our marketplace,” you have the power to require the Scottish Government to take that subsidy away, do you not?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

European Union Exit: Impact on Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

I am very glad that my colleague Jenni Minto raised the subject of the Northern Ireland protocol; we will come back to that later.

I refer back to what my colleague Dr Allan was asking you about. I genuinely get the point that you are trying to be as positive as you can be about the situation regarding the subsidy framework. I refer, however, to what has been reported to the committee for socioeconomic analysis of the European Chemicals Agency—SEAC—the Scottish Government and the House of Lords, and I would particularly like to examine the statement that has been made by a House of Lords committee. It says:

“there are powers under which the Secretary of State can refer subsidies or subsidy schemes made by the devolved Governments to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) which could potentially have the effect of overriding the devolved governments”—

and “overriding the devolved governments” is the really important bit—

“when it comes to proposing subsidies”.

Other countries have agriculture separated from any subsidy control regimes. Why has the UK Government not done that? Did you have any consultation with the Scottish Government when you were putting your proposals forward?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

European Union Exit: Impact on Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

But did you consult the Scottish Government on the Subsidy Control Bill? This point keeps coming back as a major issue. Did you consult the Scottish Government specifically on the Subsidy Control Bill?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

European Union Exit: Impact on Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

Okay. I am going to talk about the impact of extending transitional staging periods and about border checks and import controls. Earlier, you spoke about the digitisation scheme. Salmon is our biggest food export, and it is massively important that the industry can get fresh fish to its destination as quickly as possible. It desperately requires a digitised scheme and you said that you are working on that, but I urge you to work on it very quickly to give some comfort to that industry.

When you decided to extend the transitional staging period for border checks, did you consult the Scottish Government? The president of NFU Scotland, Martin Kennedy, said:

“The prolonged failure of the UK Government to place UK food exporters on an even keel with those exporting goods to the UK from Europe shows an astonishing level of incompetence and failure to support Scottish producers and our food and drink sector.”

Not only is this about the monetary value of food and drink to the Scottish sector; there are also disease risks without import checks. More than 1 million pigs in Europe have been slaughtered because of African swine fever, a disease that has a mortality rate of up to 100 per cent in pigs. Although there would have been no controls had we remained in the EU, our status as non-members poses a greater risk, because we have lost access to the valuable and highly responsive EU surveillance network, which is used to track and trace that disease. Combined with zero import checks, that leaves the pig industry—which is already in crisis—greatly exposed. Can you tell the pig industry and the NFUS why staging has been delayed?

10:30  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

European Union Exit: Impact on Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

In the interests of time, I will leave it there.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

European Union Exit: Impact on Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

But other countries have been able to take agriculture out of their subsidy control regimes. Why has the UK Government not given agriculture the same respect? Let’s face it—agriculture is about ensuring that we have a resilient food and drink industry in this country, which, for us, specifically means Scotland. Why has the UK Government decided not to remove agriculture and allow it to get the kind of support that is required, particularly here in Scotland, to keep the food and drink industry resilient?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

European Union Exit: Impact on Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

With respect, secretary of state, being “told in advance” is not a consultation. If people have a consultation, they talk about something, they come to a conclusion and they deliver a set of principles. If the Scottish Government was not included in the consultation, how could it have any input on what was coming forward?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

European Union Exit: Impact on Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

Was there any consultation?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

European Union Exit: Impact on Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

I hear the words, but I will wait to see the actions. Thank you, Mr Eustice.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

European Union Exit: Impact on Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Jim Fairlie

I am sorry to press you, secretary of state, but can you not see that that is exactly the kind of thing that causes the difficulties that we have with the co-operation agreement? You said that subsidy control bills will not be effected because you will not do that to us; however, in reality, you do not consult even on big issues, such as this one, that have a direct impact on our constituents and on the big industries in Scotland. Can you not see that that is causing a problem?