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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 November 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I said earlier that I think that the policy is going in exactly the right direction at the moment. I think that the consultations will iron out all those points. Other people are saying that we are going in the wrong direction, for this, that and the other reason. Do you feel that we are in a relatively good place to steer the bill to where it needs to be?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I just plucked that figure off the top of my head. As somebody who used to receive calf payments, I would say that, if we are to reduce the number of cows as we are being told, that would be the only way to do it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

You also said earlier, however, that we cannot face a cliff edge, so we need to do this gradually and fit it in—you and I know that farmers are not the quickest to respond to the things that we are trying to get done. Is there a balance between making sure that we are not facing that cliff edge but, at the same time, allowing farmers to adopt the practices?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Let me stop you there. Earlier, you talked about the public good with regard to how we deal with biodiversity and all the rest of it. Is producing food not a public good?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

What do you mean by “technically”?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

My apologies. I have taken up too much time already.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I want to follow up the point that you made about tier 1 and tier 2 support. I think that we would recognise that there are opportunities to tackle the issues with climate change, biodiversity loss and all the rest of it, but we have to be able to farm viably. I have a concern—you might or might not be able to allay it—that in the proposals that we are considering, we are trying to do too much with a single pot of money, which will have to stretch much further than it needs to. Is that a genuine concern or can we manage that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I apologise.

Jonnie, you said that farmers in England are taking a step back. Given the amount of support that is required to keep farming in Scotland viable, how do farmers take a step back if they do not like the policy?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

In effect, then, what you are saying is that, for the whole supply chain to work, you cannot try to find a solution for each individual bit—you have to look at the whole system that is in place.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

We have roamed about on this issue, but I want to go back to the opportunities for the food and drink sector that you touched on in response to Ariane Burgess.

With regard to farmers’ ability to diversify, the CCC said last week that we needed to reduce numbers and all the rest of it, and, in that respect, I am very glad that you have mentioned critical mass, because that is the bit that I want to talk about. What if, for instance, we decided to say, “Right, we’re going to pay £1,000 for every calf that’s born on a hill, but you need to reduce the numbers of suckler cows that you produce by 20 or 30 per cent”? What would be the net effect of targeting just one specific problem in that way?