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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 March 2024
Jim Fairlie
If that is the terminology that you would like to use, Mr Doris, I am happy to let you use it.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 March 2024
Jim Fairlie
Thank you.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 March 2024
Jim Fairlie
Individual bus operators will decide whether they want to be part of the scheme. We will have to deal with that issue if it arises as we get nearer to the end of the scheme.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 March 2024
Jim Fairlie
Yes, it is.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 March 2024
Jim Fairlie
I read that from a briefing from my officials.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 March 2024
Jim Fairlie
No, because we are back to 80 per cent usage. There are also increases in the number of cardholders. There are an awful lot more cardholders, and that is reflected in the percentage. Bear in mind the fact that the bus company should be no better or worse off. There are more people using the scheme, so the rate is going down. If the situation gets to a tipping point, conversations will be had with bus operators to ensure that we can continue with the scheme.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 March 2024
Jim Fairlie
Say that to me again.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 March 2024
Jim Fairlie
Yes, but more people are using the bus. Operators’ funding stream should not be dependent on Government support; it should be dependent on people using the buses. If the numbers of people have gone up—
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 March 2024
Jim Fairlie
We can do that.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 5 March 2024
Jim Fairlie
If the running costs of bus companies go up, they will manage that as an operator. I am quite sure that their costs are going up, because the costs of fuel, electricity and everything else have gone through the roof, as you are well aware.
In 2006-07, there were 900,000 cardholders. In 2023-24, there were 1,618,128 cardholders. People are using the buses—they are getting on public transport—which was the purpose of the scheme in the first place.
I get that everybody is juggling finances, Mr Lumsden. Life is difficult right now—there is no doubt about it—but the Government cannot allow rates to keep going up and up. Again, coming back to Mr Doris’s point, we are trying to protect public funds as best we can while encouraging people on to buses. It is a balancing act. It is not easy; these things are tricky. We are doing the very best job that we can.